Hi Garg ji, plantperson7654 <https://www.inaturalist.org/people/plantperson7654> has given his thoughts, and I quote him here ...
" I identified this as S. hovei rather than S. violaceum based on the information in this Phytokeys research article <https://phytokeys.pensoft.net/article/79514>. They include a photo of S. hovei <https://phytokeys.pensoft.net/article/79514/zoom/fig/131/> and the following discussion under the section for S. hovei: *"Solanum hovei is a member of a group of species identified in the molecular analyses of Aubriot et al. (2016a) as the ‘S. violaceum group’. It is morphologically similar to the sympatric and widespread S. violaceum but differs from it in having leaves with more sparsely pubescent adaxial surfaces and cuneate (rather than acute or truncate) bases. The pedicels of S. hovei are strongly deflexed in fruit, while those of S. violaceum are spreading. Solanum multiflorum of western India also has strongly deflexed pedicels, but they are shorter, and the leaves are densely pubescent with longer trichomes.* *Sen Gupta (1964) suggested S. hovei was a rare plant in the Western Ghats, but the number of recent collections in local herbaria suggest otherwise. It is probable that S. hovei was largely confused with S. violaceum in herbaria (usually identified as S. indicum)."* The leaf shape, type of stem prickles and deflexed fruiting pedicels of this plant indicate S. hovei in my opinion. There's also this under the section for S. violaceum: *"Solanum violaceum is sympatric with its close relatives S. deflexicarpum of southern China, S. hovei, and S. multiflorum, the latter two endemic to India. All of these species have strongly deflexed pedicels in fruit, while those of S. violaceum are broadly spreading and usually longer."* S. violaceum <https://phytokeys.pensoft.net/article/79514/zoom/fig/178/> for comparison, with differently shaped leaf bases and spreading fruiting pedicels. Its stems are either unarmed or armed with (usually) curved prickles. And as discussed in your link, S. lasiocarpum is a different plant <https://phytokeys.pensoft.net/article/79514/zoom/fig/139/> with broader leaves, white flowers, and pubescent fruits " Regards. Dinesh On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 1:18 PM Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Garg ji, > I certainly would, if I could. > I have requested plantperson7654 > <https://www.inaturalist.org/people/plantperson7654> to give his thoughts. > > Regards. > Dinesh > > On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 12:43 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks, Dinesh ji, >> I think you can. >> -- >> With regards, >> J. M. Garg >> >> On Sun, 19 Mar, 2023, 22:09 Dinesh Valke, <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Garg ji, actually I was not at desk for some time. Now returning home. >>> >>> As far as the points you have asked me to consider, I am afraid I will >>> be to analyze them. >>> >>> Regards. >>> Dinesh >>> >>> On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, 07:43 Dinesh Valke, <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> ID of the posted plant is suggested as *Solanum hovei* Dunal at >>>> iNaturalist <https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/145238916>. >>>> >>>> More about >>>> SAHNI, K. C.; NAITHANI, H. B.. *A Note on the Occurrence of Solanum >>>> hovei Dunal in India.* Indian Forester, [S.l.], p. 580-583, oct. 1973. >>>> ISSN 2321-094X. Available at: < >>>> https://www.indianforester.co.in/index.php/indianforester/article/view/27060>. >>>> >>>> doi:10.36808/if/1975/v101i10/27060. >>>> >>>> Regards. >>>> Dinesh >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, 1 October 2012 at 21:42:55 UTC+5:30 Gurcharan Singh wrote: >>>> >>>>> The plant often gone under the name Solanum indicum in Indian Floras >>>>> has now been understood as several species. One such is S. anguivi which >>>>> has again white flowers with purple veins on outside and more important >>>>> there are numerous berries in a bunch. >>>>> >>>>> http://database.prota.org/PROTAhtml/Solanum%20anguivi_Fr.htm >>>>> >>>>> Please also see the key on our website >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/s/solanaceae/solanum >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Satish Phadke <drsmp...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Why not Solanum anguivi?which is reported from KAS >>>>>> Dr Satish Phadke >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think Prabhu ji is right, it should be S. violaceum with >>>>>>> broad-based prickles and purple-violet flowers >>>>>>> However, as per recent interpretation of S. lasiocarpum (these >>>>>>> species have been much confused in the past), S. lasiocarpum has only >>>>>>> white >>>>>>> (and not purple) flowers and characteristic hairy ovary and berry. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.nhm.ac.uk/research-curation/research/projects/solanaceaesource/taxonomy/description-detail.jsp?spnumber=3386 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200020589 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 2:08 AM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you very very very much Prabhu ji for the correction. >>>>>>>> I will do the changes in my flickr notes shortly. >>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Prabhu kumar KM < >>>>>>>> prabhum...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Dineshji Good shot............ >>>>>>>>> But it is not *S. lasiocarpum* >>>>>>>>> I think it is *Solanum violaceum* Ortega ssp. *violaceum* >>>>>>>>> Please check. >>>>>>>>> *S. lasiocarpum: *Robust shrubs, to 1.5 m high; stems densely >>>>>>>>> spineus prickled and stellate hairy. Leaves to 35 x 35 cm, >>>>>>>>> ovate-orbicular, >>>>>>>>> entire or shallowly lacerate; stellate hairs unequally armed; >>>>>>>>> petioles 5-10 >>>>>>>>> cm long. Flowers in groups of 2-3, axillary, epedunculate; pedicels >>>>>>>>> short; >>>>>>>>> calyx densely stellate hairy; corolla 3-4 cm across, blue, hairy >>>>>>>>> outside; >>>>>>>>> ovary densely hairy. Berry 3-5 cm across, globose, densely covered >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> spineus bristles. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Solanum violaceum* Ortega ssp. *violaceum: *Armed undershrubs, >>>>>>>>> up to 1.5 m tall; branches minutely stellate-hairy on young parts, >>>>>>>>> glabrate >>>>>>>>> when mature. Leaves 5-12 x 4-7 cm, ovate or ovate-oblong, sinuately >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> deeply lobed, base rounded or unequal, apex subacute, sparsely >>>>>>>>> stellate-hairy above, stellate-woolly beneath, prickly on the nerves; >>>>>>>>> petiole to 2.5 cm long. Flowers bluish-violet in extra-axillary >>>>>>>>> racemes; >>>>>>>>> peduncle c. 4 cm long; pedicel to 8 mm long. Calyx cupular; lobes 5, >>>>>>>>> c. 5 >>>>>>>>> mm long, triangular, prickly. Corolla c. 2 cm across, campanulate. >>>>>>>>> Stamens 5; anthers c. 5 mm long. Ovary c. 2 x 2 mm, globose; stigma >>>>>>>>> acute. Berry 0.8-1.3 cm across, globose; orange yellow when ripe. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> *Prabhu Kumar K M* >>>>>>>>> Scientist >>>>>>>>> Plant Systematics & Genetic Resources Division >>>>>>>>> Centre for Medicinal Plants Research (CMPR) >>>>>>>>> & 'CMPR' Herbarium >>>>>>>>> Kottakkal Arya Vaidya Sala >>>>>>>>> Kottakkal, Malappuram >>>>>>>>> *E-mail: prabhum...@gmail.com* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>> Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/z1Uo4-SDrNU/unsubscribe >>>> . >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>> indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/06eb2763-8e57-417e-8126-bc80ae1ca278n%40googlegroups.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/06eb2763-8e57-417e-8126-bc80ae1ca278n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CABSQqC2kofoEOYKKo%3DSj36C%2B6tQc1QpW-Z8%3DCE-9BPUhub9FaQ%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CABSQqC2kofoEOYKKo%3DSj36C%2B6tQc1QpW-Z8%3DCE-9BPUhub9FaQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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