Thanks a lot, Dinesh ji, for this feedback. It certainly gives us more clarity.
On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 at 08:13, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Garg ji, > > plantperson7654 <https://www.inaturalist.org/people/plantperson7654> has > given his thoughts, and I quote him here ... > > " > I identified this as S. hovei rather than S. violaceum based on the > information in this Phytokeys research article > <https://phytokeys.pensoft.net/article/79514>. They include a photo of S. > hovei <https://phytokeys.pensoft.net/article/79514/zoom/fig/131/> and the > following discussion under the section for S. hovei: > > *"Solanum hovei is a member of a group of species identified in the > molecular analyses of Aubriot et al. (2016a) as the ‘S. violaceum group’. > It is morphologically similar to the sympatric and widespread S. violaceum > but differs from it in having leaves with more sparsely pubescent adaxial > surfaces and cuneate (rather than acute or truncate) bases. The pedicels of > S. hovei are strongly deflexed in fruit, while those of S. violaceum are > spreading. Solanum multiflorum of western India also has strongly deflexed > pedicels, but they are shorter, and the leaves are densely pubescent with > longer trichomes.* > > *Sen Gupta (1964) suggested S. hovei was a rare plant in the Western > Ghats, but the number of recent collections in local herbaria suggest > otherwise. It is probable that S. hovei was largely confused with S. > violaceum in herbaria (usually identified as S. indicum)."* > > The leaf shape, type of stem prickles and deflexed fruiting pedicels of > this plant indicate S. hovei in my opinion. > > There's also this under the section for S. violaceum: > *"Solanum violaceum is sympatric with its close relatives S. deflexicarpum > of southern China, S. hovei, and S. multiflorum, the latter two endemic to > India. All of these species have strongly deflexed pedicels in fruit, while > those of S. violaceum are broadly spreading and usually longer."* > > S. violaceum <https://phytokeys.pensoft.net/article/79514/zoom/fig/178/> > for comparison, with differently shaped leaf bases and spreading fruiting > pedicels. Its stems are either unarmed or armed with (usually) curved > prickles. > > And as discussed in your link, S. lasiocarpum is a different plant > <https://phytokeys.pensoft.net/article/79514/zoom/fig/139/> with broader > leaves, white flowers, and pubescent fruits > " > > Regards. > Dinesh > > On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 1:18 PM Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Thanks Garg ji, >> I certainly would, if I could. >> I have requested plantperson7654 >> <https://www.inaturalist.org/people/plantperson7654> to give his >> thoughts. >> >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> >> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 12:43 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Dinesh ji, >>> I think you can. >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J. M. Garg >>> >>> On Sun, 19 Mar, 2023, 22:09 Dinesh Valke, <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Garg ji, actually I was not at desk for some time. Now returning >>>> home. >>>> >>>> As far as the points you have asked me to consider, I am afraid I will >>>> be to analyze them. >>>> >>>> Regards. >>>> Dinesh >>>> >>>> On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, 07:43 Dinesh Valke, <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> ID of the posted plant is suggested as *Solanum hovei* Dunal at >>>>> iNaturalist <https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/145238916>. >>>>> >>>>> More about >>>>> SAHNI, K. C.; NAITHANI, H. B.. *A Note on the Occurrence of Solanum >>>>> hovei Dunal in India.* Indian Forester, [S.l.], p. 580-583, oct. >>>>> 1973. ISSN 2321-094X. Available at: < >>>>> https://www.indianforester.co.in/index.php/indianforester/article/view/27060>. >>>>> >>>>> doi:10.36808/if/1975/v101i10/27060. >>>>> >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Dinesh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, 1 October 2012 at 21:42:55 UTC+5:30 Gurcharan Singh wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The plant often gone under the name Solanum indicum in Indian Floras >>>>>> has now been understood as several species. One such is S. anguivi which >>>>>> has again white flowers with purple veins on outside and more important >>>>>> there are numerous berries in a bunch. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://database.prota.org/PROTAhtml/Solanum%20anguivi_Fr.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> Please also see the key on our website >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/s/solanaceae/solanum >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Satish Phadke <drsmp...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Why not Solanum anguivi?which is reported from KAS >>>>>>> Dr Satish Phadke >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think Prabhu ji is right, it should be S. violaceum with >>>>>>>> broad-based prickles and purple-violet flowers >>>>>>>> However, as per recent interpretation of S. lasiocarpum (these >>>>>>>> species have been much confused in the past), S. lasiocarpum has only >>>>>>>> white >>>>>>>> (and not purple) flowers and characteristic hairy ovary and berry. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.nhm.ac.uk/research-curation/research/projects/solanaceaesource/taxonomy/description-detail.jsp?spnumber=3386 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200020589 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 2:08 AM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you very very very much Prabhu ji for the correction. >>>>>>>>> I will do the changes in my flickr notes shortly. >>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Prabhu kumar KM < >>>>>>>>> prabhum...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Dineshji Good shot............ >>>>>>>>>> But it is not *S. lasiocarpum* >>>>>>>>>> I think it is *Solanum violaceum* Ortega ssp. *violaceum* >>>>>>>>>> Please check. >>>>>>>>>> *S. lasiocarpum: *Robust shrubs, to 1.5 m high; stems densely >>>>>>>>>> spineus prickled and stellate hairy. Leaves to 35 x 35 cm, >>>>>>>>>> ovate-orbicular, >>>>>>>>>> entire or shallowly lacerate; stellate hairs unequally armed; >>>>>>>>>> petioles 5-10 >>>>>>>>>> cm long. Flowers in groups of 2-3, axillary, epedunculate; pedicels >>>>>>>>>> short; >>>>>>>>>> calyx densely stellate hairy; corolla 3-4 cm across, blue, hairy >>>>>>>>>> outside; >>>>>>>>>> ovary densely hairy. Berry 3-5 cm across, globose, densely covered >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> spineus bristles. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Solanum violaceum* Ortega ssp. *violaceum: *Armed >>>>>>>>>> undershrubs, up to 1.5 m tall; branches minutely stellate-hairy on >>>>>>>>>> young >>>>>>>>>> parts, glabrate when mature. Leaves 5-12 x 4-7 cm, ovate or >>>>>>>>>> ovate-oblong, >>>>>>>>>> sinuately to deeply lobed, base rounded or unequal, apex subacute, >>>>>>>>>> sparsely >>>>>>>>>> stellate-hairy above, stellate-woolly beneath, prickly on the nerves; >>>>>>>>>> petiole to 2.5 cm long. Flowers bluish-violet in extra-axillary >>>>>>>>>> racemes; >>>>>>>>>> peduncle c. 4 cm long; pedicel to 8 mm long. Calyx cupular; lobes >>>>>>>>>> 5, c. 5 >>>>>>>>>> mm long, triangular, prickly. Corolla c. 2 cm across, campanulate. >>>>>>>>>> Stamens 5; anthers c. 5 mm long. Ovary c. 2 x 2 mm, globose; stigma >>>>>>>>>> acute. Berry 0.8-1.3 cm across, globose; orange yellow when ripe. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> *Prabhu Kumar K M* >>>>>>>>>> Scientist >>>>>>>>>> Plant Systematics & Genetic Resources Division >>>>>>>>>> Centre for Medicinal Plants Research (CMPR) >>>>>>>>>> & 'CMPR' Herbarium >>>>>>>>>> Kottakkal Arya Vaidya Sala >>>>>>>>>> Kottakkal, Malappuram >>>>>>>>>> *E-mail: prabhum...@gmail.com* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>>> Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/z1Uo4-SDrNU/unsubscribe >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>> indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/06eb2763-8e57-417e-8126-bc80ae1ca278n%40googlegroups.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/06eb2763-8e57-417e-8126-bc80ae1ca278n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CABSQqC2kofoEOYKKo%3DSj36C%2B6tQc1QpW-Z8%3DCE-9BPUhub9FaQ%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CABSQqC2kofoEOYKKo%3DSj36C%2B6tQc1QpW-Z8%3DCE-9BPUhub9FaQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- With regards, J.M.Garg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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