Gurcharanji correct... yet the t. laurifolia and t. grandiflora ... i find has different colored intensity of the blue of the flowers and the yellow or whites of the necks ...
someone with a lot of taxonomy knowledge will have to dissect and tell me... yes to the confusion with the plant list ... I think it perhaps has personnel that are not very familiar with all the tropical flora or the computer program that they started using is unwieldy... it will have to become a little fuzzy to allow a bit more separation of species and allow for fuzziness in nature... at this point they seem to be a bit black and white ... too rigid by far... MOBOT and Kew has good botanists and scientist so I dont understand this woody/black and white / no flexibility kind of thinking and blatant ignorance of many common things... usha di == On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Sorry Surajit ji and Ushadi > I said yes to the plant being T. grandiflora without reading your first > line about KEW The Plant List listing. > Having gone through the Plant List, with so many missing names, unresolved > names, and many wrong synonymy records, I have become increasingly unsure > about The Plant List. I prefer to follow GRIN for records which are dealt > there and periodically updated by its scientists. GRIN as well as several > recent treatments recognise T. grandiflora. as distinct species. > Yes Ushadi is right, T. alata is a sufficiently distinct from T. > grandiflora, and to call T. grandiflora its synonym at least I find hard to > digest. > > If there is any species closest and can be combined with is T. laurifolia. > The two are very close. > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 7:09 PM, ushadi Micromini < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> yes Surajit >> grows at the hort and elliot park on chowringhee and many places in and >> around the canals in shyambazar etc... saw them during the whirlwind >> durgapuja pandal hopping a couple of years ago.... >> >> your second question I think is the Thunbergia alata... its well accepted >> that thunbergia alata is a distinctly different species... it had different >> structure of flowers and leaf... >> I am enclosing a picture here, from NYBG where plants are displayed with >> labels once it s classified by their botanists and horticulturists team... >> I value their opinion above any website for sure... >> >> this was labelled a* t. alata orange flowers*... did not photograph the >> label because I have my self had been growing the typical Yellow flowered >> t. alata vine for many many years as part of my nostalgia of India >> garden... t. alata is south african origin as far as I know.. ..yet my >> Grandma's garden on the east coast or the west coast always had them almost >> growing like wild ... this link shows both colors.... >> http://www.plantzafrica.com/planttuv/thunbergalata.htm >> >> To confuse the issue its also called *black eyed susan* by some areas of >> the english speaking world including popular name in seed catalogues and >> popular flower for cutflower trade in USA and europe and now grows wild >> in the meadows all over...and by the roadsides ....this Black eyed susan is >> *Rudbeckia hirta of Aster family... * >> http://www.fcps.edu/islandcreekes/ecology/black-eyed_susan.htm >> ecologically an important plant, its considered so at least in the USA >> you'll see that in the site above..... >> enjoy >> Usha di >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:30 AM, satyendra tiwari <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Dear Surjit ji, >>> I hope new comers will learn from your posts. How to do homework before >>> posting it on Eflora. >>> Nice Pictures. A similar plant is growing on fence in village Tala >>> Umaria M.P. I will check when it flowers. >>> Regards. >>> Satyendra >>> >>> >>> On 19 August 2012 01:41, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes Surajit >>>> Very nice photographs >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:38 PM, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sir, >>>>> >>>>> KEW says *Thunbergia grandiflora* Roxb. is a synonym of T*hunbergia >>>>> alata* Bojer ex >>>>> Sims.<http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-100139>But 'google >>>>> search' gives all yellow flowers for T >>>>> *hunbergia alata* Bojer ex Sims ! >>>>> >>>>> Species : *Thunbergia grandiflora* >>>>> Roxb.<http://www.tropicos.org/name/100139?projectid=27> >>>>> Habit & Habitat : climber, found outside a residence >>>>> Date : 18/8/12, 4.41 P.M. >>>>> Place : Barijahati (Hooghly) >>>>> website visited : >>>>> >>>>> 1. >>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242352257 >>>>> 2. >>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242352257 >>>>> 3. >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/EzseeCmIDok/discussion >>>>> 4. >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/lyVN2BHvQEc/discussion >>>>> >>>>> Thank you & Regards, >>>>> >>>>> surajit >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Satyendra K.Tiwari. >>> Wildlife Photographer, Naturalist, Tour Leader >>> H.NO <http://h.no/> 129, P.O.Tala, Distt Umariya. >>> M.P. 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