Ushadi I have several written communications from The Plant List. They se4em to be simply compiling the results of participating Institutions. I have personal rapport with few scientists of MOBOT. Perhaps I can't write here what they think about The Plant List.
What is most horrible about the Plant List that they don't include all names of IPNI, their own website based on Index Kewensis, Although these names are in both these databases, and they claim the Plant List to be the most complete listing of the World plants. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 7:41 PM, ushadi Micromini <[email protected] > wrote: > Gurcharanji > correct... > yet the t. laurifolia and t. grandiflora ... i find has different colored > intensity of the blue of the flowers and the yellow or whites of the necks > ... > > someone with a lot of taxonomy knowledge will have to dissect and tell > me... > > yes to the confusion with the plant list ... I think it perhaps has > personnel that are not very familiar with all the tropical flora or the > computer program that they started using is unwieldy... it will have to > become a little fuzzy to allow a bit more separation of species and allow > for fuzziness in nature... at this point they seem to be a bit black and > white ... too rigid by far... MOBOT and Kew has good botanists and > scientist so I dont understand this woody/black and white / no flexibility > kind of thinking and blatant ignorance of many common things... > > usha di > == > > > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Sorry Surajit ji and Ushadi >> I said yes to the plant being T. grandiflora without reading your first >> line about KEW The Plant List listing. >> Having gone through the Plant List, with so many missing names, >> unresolved names, and many wrong synonymy records, I have become >> increasingly unsure about The Plant List. I prefer to follow GRIN for >> records which are dealt there and periodically updated by its scientists. >> GRIN as well as several recent treatments recognise T. grandiflora. as >> distinct species. >> Yes Ushadi is right, T. alata is a sufficiently distinct from T. >> grandiflora, and to call T. grandiflora its synonym at least I find hard to >> digest. >> >> If there is any species closest and can be combined with is T. >> laurifolia. The two are very close. >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 7:09 PM, ushadi Micromini < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> yes Surajit >>> grows at the hort and elliot park on chowringhee and many places in and >>> around the canals in shyambazar etc... saw them during the whirlwind >>> durgapuja pandal hopping a couple of years ago.... >>> >>> your second question I think is the Thunbergia alata... its well >>> accepted that thunbergia alata is a distinctly different species... it had >>> different structure of flowers and leaf... >>> I am enclosing a picture here, from NYBG where plants are displayed with >>> labels once it s classified by their botanists and horticulturists team... >>> I value their opinion above any website for sure... >>> >>> this was labelled a* t. alata orange flowers*... did not photograph >>> the label because I have my self had been growing the typical Yellow >>> flowered t. alata vine for many many years as part of my nostalgia of India >>> garden... t. alata is south african origin as far as I know.. ..yet my >>> Grandma's garden on the east coast or the west coast always had them almost >>> growing like wild ... this link shows both colors.... >>> http://www.plantzafrica.com/planttuv/thunbergalata.htm >>> >>> To confuse the issue its also called *black eyed susan* by some areas >>> of the english speaking world including popular name in seed catalogues and >>> popular flower for cutflower trade in USA and europe and now grows wild >>> in the meadows all over...and by the roadsides ....this Black eyed susan is >>> *Rudbeckia hirta of Aster family... * >>> http://www.fcps.edu/islandcreekes/ecology/black-eyed_susan.htm >>> ecologically an important plant, its considered so at least in the USA >>> you'll see that in the site above..... >>> enjoy >>> Usha di >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:30 AM, satyendra tiwari >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Surjit ji, >>>> I hope new comers will learn from your posts. How to do homework before >>>> posting it on Eflora. >>>> Nice Pictures. A similar plant is growing on fence in village Tala >>>> Umaria M.P. I will check when it flowers. >>>> Regards. >>>> Satyendra >>>> >>>> >>>> On 19 August 2012 01:41, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes Surajit >>>>> Very nice photographs >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:38 PM, surajit koley < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sir, >>>>>> >>>>>> KEW says *Thunbergia grandiflora* Roxb. is a synonym of T*hunbergia >>>>>> alata* Bojer ex >>>>>> Sims.<http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-100139>But 'google >>>>>> search' gives all yellow flowers for T >>>>>> *hunbergia alata* Bojer ex Sims ! >>>>>> >>>>>> Species : *Thunbergia grandiflora* >>>>>> Roxb.<http://www.tropicos.org/name/100139?projectid=27> >>>>>> Habit & Habitat : climber, found outside a residence >>>>>> Date : 18/8/12, 4.41 P.M. >>>>>> Place : Barijahati (Hooghly) >>>>>> website visited : >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. >>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242352257 >>>>>> 2. >>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242352257 >>>>>> 3. >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/EzseeCmIDok/discussion >>>>>> 4. >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/lyVN2BHvQEc/discussion >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you & Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> surajit >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Satyendra K.Tiwari. >>>> Wildlife Photographer, Naturalist, Tour Leader >>>> H.NO <http://h.no/> 129, P.O.Tala, Distt Umariya. >>>> M.P. 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