Gurcharan Sir & Usha Di, The truth is that initially i thought this flower should go to Bignoniaceae family for its sepal shape and its 4 stamens, which i thought is comparable with my earlier post of *Spathodea campanulata<https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/0Cb55QuPIx0/discussion> *!
Regards, surajit On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Ushadi > I have several written communications from The Plant List. They se4em to > be simply compiling the results of participating Institutions. I have > personal rapport with few scientists of MOBOT. Perhaps I can't write here > what they think about The Plant List. > > What is most horrible about the Plant List that they don't include all > names of IPNI, their own website based on Index Kewensis, Although these > names are in both these databases, and they claim the Plant List to be the > most complete listing of the World plants. > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 7:41 PM, ushadi Micromini < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Gurcharanji >> correct... >> yet the t. laurifolia and t. grandiflora ... i find has different colored >> intensity of the blue of the flowers and the yellow or whites of the necks >> ... >> >> someone with a lot of taxonomy knowledge will have to dissect and tell >> me... >> >> yes to the confusion with the plant list ... I think it perhaps has >> personnel that are not very familiar with all the tropical flora or the >> computer program that they started using is unwieldy... it will have to >> become a little fuzzy to allow a bit more separation of species and allow >> for fuzziness in nature... at this point they seem to be a bit black and >> white ... too rigid by far... MOBOT and Kew has good botanists and >> scientist so I dont understand this woody/black and white / no flexibility >> kind of thinking and blatant ignorance of many common things... >> >> usha di >> == >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Sorry Surajit ji and Ushadi >>> I said yes to the plant being T. grandiflora without reading your first >>> line about KEW The Plant List listing. >>> Having gone through the Plant List, with so many missing names, >>> unresolved names, and many wrong synonymy records, I have become >>> increasingly unsure about The Plant List. I prefer to follow GRIN for >>> records which are dealt there and periodically updated by its scientists. >>> GRIN as well as several recent treatments recognise T. grandiflora. as >>> distinct species. >>> Yes Ushadi is right, T. alata is a sufficiently distinct from T. >>> grandiflora, and to call T. grandiflora its synonym at least I find hard to >>> digest. >>> >>> If there is any species closest and can be combined with is T. >>> laurifolia. The two are very close. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 7:09 PM, ushadi Micromini < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> yes Surajit >>>> grows at the hort and elliot park on chowringhee and many places in and >>>> around the canals in shyambazar etc... saw them during the whirlwind >>>> durgapuja pandal hopping a couple of years ago.... >>>> >>>> your second question I think is the Thunbergia alata... its well >>>> accepted that thunbergia alata is a distinctly different species... it had >>>> different structure of flowers and leaf... >>>> I am enclosing a picture here, from NYBG where plants are displayed >>>> with labels once it s classified by their botanists and horticulturists >>>> team... I value their opinion above any website for sure... >>>> >>>> this was labelled a* t. alata orange flowers*... did not photograph >>>> the label because I have my self had been growing the typical Yellow >>>> flowered t. alata vine for many many years as part of my nostalgia of India >>>> garden... t. alata is south african origin as far as I know.. ..yet my >>>> Grandma's garden on the east coast or the west coast always had them almost >>>> growing like wild ... this link shows both colors.... >>>> http://www.plantzafrica.com/planttuv/thunbergalata.htm >>>> >>>> To confuse the issue its also called *black eyed susan* by some areas >>>> of the english speaking world including popular name in seed catalogues and >>>> popular flower for cutflower trade in USA and europe and now grows wild >>>> in the meadows all over...and by the roadsides ....this Black eyed susan is >>>> *Rudbeckia hirta of Aster family... * >>>> http://www.fcps.edu/islandcreekes/ecology/black-eyed_susan.htm >>>> ecologically an important plant, its considered so at least in the USA >>>> you'll see that in the site above..... >>>> enjoy >>>> Usha di >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:30 AM, satyendra tiwari >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Surjit ji, >>>>> I hope new comers will learn from your posts. How to do homework >>>>> before posting it on Eflora. >>>>> Nice Pictures. A similar plant is growing on fence in village Tala >>>>> Umaria M.P. I will check when it flowers. >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Satyendra >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 19 August 2012 01:41, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes Surajit >>>>>> Very nice photographs >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:38 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Sir, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> KEW says *Thunbergia grandiflora* Roxb. is a synonym of T*hunbergia >>>>>>> alata* Bojer ex >>>>>>> Sims.<http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-100139>But 'google >>>>>>> search' gives all yellow flowers for T >>>>>>> *hunbergia alata* Bojer ex Sims ! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Species : *Thunbergia grandiflora* >>>>>>> Roxb.<http://www.tropicos.org/name/100139?projectid=27> >>>>>>> Habit & Habitat : climber, found outside a residence >>>>>>> Date : 18/8/12, 4.41 P.M. >>>>>>> Place : Barijahati (Hooghly) >>>>>>> website visited : >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242352257 >>>>>>> 2. >>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242352257 >>>>>>> 3. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/EzseeCmIDok/discussion >>>>>>> 4. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/lyVN2BHvQEc/discussion >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you & Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Satyendra K.Tiwari. >>>>> Wildlife Photographer, Naturalist, Tour Leader >>>>> H.NO <http://h.no/> 129, P.O.Tala, Distt Umariya. >>>>> M.P. 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