Kalau contohnya, di Star Trek itu yg termasuk civilized: Federation.. Kalau yg 'tembak dulu, pengadilan belakangan' itu Borg.. :-)
----- Original Message ---- From: iful <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 19 January, 2010 9:57:12 AM Subject: Re: [Indo-StarTrek] HUMAN RIGHT #11: We Are Always Innocent Until Proven Guilty Yaap mengerti sekali dan benar susah diterapkan......itulah bedanya antara mendapatkan sangsi hukum atau 'revenge' - balas dendam atas nama hukum. hmmm....keduanya menghasilkan kondisi mental masyarakat yg berbeda tingkat pemahaman thd hukum. coba aja bandingkan "behavior " orang dari masyarakat yg mendapatkan perlindungan hukum yg adil dan sebaliknya masyarakat tidak dpt kepastian hukum (spt kita skrng) tehadap kasus contoh pencurian (kolor, televisi)...walaupun orang tsb menangkap tangan si malaing....tetap saja tidak akan main hakim sendiri....krn mereka yakin aparat hukum akan pasti menangani sesuai kasusnya. umum cukup menelephon polisi. dst dst dst bandingkn di sini....baru ketangkap sdh diguyur bensin dan dibakar...paling tidak sudah babak belur. /ivul 2010/1/19 Ivan Alidjaja <[email protected]> > > > Tapi emang susah sih 'ful. Coba loe dihadapkan ama teroris yg jelas2 ngaku > ngebom kantor kita, yg mengakibatkan temen2 kita trauma, celaka dsb. > Pastilah akan susah sekali menerapkan azas praduga tak bersalah itu...yg ada > udah gemes duluan dan pengen rasanya maki2 si teroris tersebut.. > > Misalnya, ada maling ketangkep tangan di rumah lagi curi kolor, mesin cuci > dan televisi. Nah, apakah kita masih bisa menerapkan azas praduga tdk > bersalah atau men-judged si maling itu dengan kata2 makian dan kadang2 > jurus2 silat sudah mulai berterbangan. Loe tau sendiri khan, si maling belum > dinyatakan bersalah secara hukum SAMPAI pengadilan memutuskan hal > tersebut... > > Bayangin seberapa geramnya anda kalo kolor anda digondol maling..hehehehe > > - > Ivan > > PS. Para admiral mana nih? > > ________________________________ > From: iful <[email protected] <iful.spock%40startrek.or.id>> > > To: [email protected] <indo-startrek%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, 19 January, 2010 9:24:41 AM > > Subject: Re: [Indo-StarTrek] HUMAN RIGHT #11: We Are Always Innocent Until > Proven Guilty > > > Praduga tak bersalah ---> seharusnya nih diduga sementara tidak bersalah > tapi pembuktian hukum tetap dilaksaknakan sehingga ada pembuktian dan sah > secara hukum (salah atau tidak bersalah)... dan selama pembutian > "tersangka" > tetap diperlakukan selayaknya manusia. yg berhak untuk tidak merasa 'takut' > atau terintimidasi selama proses hukum berlangsung. > > kenyataannya. ...tau sendiri lah....kita salalu dibuat tidak "nyaman" kalo > sdh berhubungan dng proses hukum, baik di sisi yg salah ataupun di sisi yg > benar. > KOndisi nyaman akan membuat tersangka yg terbukti bersalah akan merasa > mendapatkan perlakuan adil ketika menerima hukuman. > > /ivul > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Ignatius Wibowo < > wib...@artzdesign- studio.com> wrote: > > > Ngomong soal ini, sebenernya istilah 'praduga tak bersalah' itu bener > gak? > > Imho, istilah itu berarti diduga tidak bersalah. Jadi karena sudah diduga > > tak bersalah, ya gak usah dibuktikan lagi kan? Atau justru dicari bukti > dia > > gak bersalah. > > > > Kalo innocent until proven guilty kan artinya beda, bahwa orang itu > > dianggap tidak bersalah (tapi tentunya diduga bahwa ia bersalah), sampai > > ada bukti dia bersalah. > > > > Ribet, tapi istilah praduga tak bersalah sering dipakai untuk alasan > > mengelak? > > > > Regards, > > Ignatius Wibowo > > =========== > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "ivan" <alidjajaivan@ yahoo.com. au> > > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 00:07:28 > > To: <indo-startrek@ yahoogroups. com> > > Subject: Re: [Indo-StarTrek] HUMAN RIGHT #11: We Are Always Innocent > Until > > Proven Guilty > > > > Di berbagai tempat, masih ada yg 'always guilty until proven innocent' . > > Msh ingat kata2 'gantung dulu, pengadilan belakangan'. > > > > > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® through subspace channel > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: "ER [Energy Revolution]" <erianto.rachman@ gmail.com> > > > > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:48:45 > > > > To: <indo-startrek@ yahoogroups. com> > > > > Subject: [Indo-StarTrek] HUMAN RIGHT #11: We Are Always Innocent Until > > Proven Guilty > > > > > > > > HUMAN RIGHT #11: > > > > > > > > > > > > We Are Always Innocent Until Proven Guilty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nobody should be blamed for doing something until it is proven. 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