WHahaha.... borg gak pake pengadilan. Langsung proses asimilasi, no way out. Tembak dulu pengadilan belakangan mungkin klingon.
...hilmy... sebelum muka [?] 2010/1/19 Ivan Alidjaja <[email protected]> > > > Kalau contohnya, di Star Trek itu yg termasuk civilized: Federation.. > Kalau yg 'tembak dulu, pengadilan belakangan' itu Borg.. > :-) > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: iful <[email protected] <iful.spock%40startrek.or.id>> > To: [email protected] <indo-startrek%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, 19 January, 2010 9:57:12 AM > Subject: Re: [Indo-StarTrek] HUMAN RIGHT #11: We Are Always Innocent Until > Proven Guilty > > Yaap mengerti sekali dan benar susah diterapkan......itulah bedanya antara > mendapatkan sangsi hukum atau 'revenge' - balas dendam atas nama hukum. > > hmmm....keduanya menghasilkan kondisi mental masyarakat yg berbeda tingkat > pemahaman thd hukum. > coba aja bandingkan "behavior " orang dari masyarakat yg mendapatkan > perlindungan hukum yg adil dan sebaliknya masyarakat tidak dpt kepastian > hukum (spt kita skrng) tehadap kasus contoh pencurian (kolor, > televisi)...walaupun orang tsb menangkap tangan si malaing....tetap saja > tidak akan main hakim sendiri....krn mereka yakin aparat hukum akan pasti > menangani sesuai kasusnya. umum cukup menelephon polisi. dst dst dst > > bandingkn di sini....baru ketangkap sdh diguyur bensin dan dibakar...paling > tidak sudah babak belur. > > /ivul > > 2010/1/19 Ivan Alidjaja > <[email protected]<alidjajaivan%40yahoo.com.au> > > > > > > > > > Tapi emang susah sih 'ful. Coba loe dihadapkan ama teroris yg jelas2 > ngaku > > ngebom kantor kita, yg mengakibatkan temen2 kita trauma, celaka dsb. > > Pastilah akan susah sekali menerapkan azas praduga tak bersalah itu...yg > ada > > udah gemes duluan dan pengen rasanya maki2 si teroris tersebut.. > > > > Misalnya, ada maling ketangkep tangan di rumah lagi curi kolor, mesin > cuci > > dan televisi. Nah, apakah kita masih bisa menerapkan azas praduga tdk > > bersalah atau men-judged si maling itu dengan kata2 makian dan kadang2 > > jurus2 silat sudah mulai berterbangan. Loe tau sendiri khan, si maling > belum > > dinyatakan bersalah secara hukum SAMPAI pengadilan memutuskan hal > > tersebut... > > > > Bayangin seberapa geramnya anda kalo kolor anda digondol maling..hehehehe > > > > - > > Ivan > > > > PS. Para admiral mana nih? > > > > ________________________________ > > From: iful <[email protected] > > <iful.spock%40startrek.or.id><iful.spock% > 40startrek.or.id>> > > > > To: [email protected] > > <indo-startrek%40yahoogroups.com><indo-startrek% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tue, 19 January, 2010 9:24:41 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [Indo-StarTrek] HUMAN RIGHT #11: We Are Always Innocent > Until > > Proven Guilty > > > > > > Praduga tak bersalah ---> seharusnya nih diduga sementara tidak bersalah > > tapi pembuktian hukum tetap dilaksaknakan sehingga ada pembuktian dan sah > > secara hukum (salah atau tidak bersalah)... dan selama pembutian > > "tersangka" > > tetap diperlakukan selayaknya manusia. yg berhak untuk tidak merasa > 'takut' > > atau terintimidasi selama proses hukum berlangsung. > > > > kenyataannya. ...tau sendiri lah....kita salalu dibuat tidak "nyaman" > kalo > > sdh berhubungan dng proses hukum, baik di sisi yg salah ataupun di sisi > yg > > benar. > > KOndisi nyaman akan membuat tersangka yg terbukti bersalah akan merasa > > mendapatkan perlakuan adil ketika menerima hukuman. > > > > /ivul > > > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Ignatius Wibowo < > > wib...@artzdesign- studio.com> wrote: > > > > > Ngomong soal ini, sebenernya istilah 'praduga tak bersalah' itu bener > > gak? > > > Imho, istilah itu berarti diduga tidak bersalah. Jadi karena sudah > diduga > > > tak bersalah, ya gak usah dibuktikan lagi kan? Atau justru dicari bukti > > dia > > > gak bersalah. > > > > > > Kalo innocent until proven guilty kan artinya beda, bahwa orang itu > > > dianggap tidak bersalah (tapi tentunya diduga bahwa ia bersalah), > sampai > > > ada bukti dia bersalah. > > > > > > Ribet, tapi istilah praduga tak bersalah sering dipakai untuk alasan > > > mengelak? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Ignatius Wibowo > > > =========== > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: "ivan" <alidjajaivan@ yahoo.com. au> > > > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 00:07:28 > > > To: <indo-startrek@ yahoogroups. com> > > > Subject: Re: [Indo-StarTrek] HUMAN RIGHT #11: We Are Always Innocent > > Until > > > Proven Guilty > > > > > > Di berbagai tempat, masih ada yg 'always guilty until proven innocent' > . > > > Msh ingat kata2 'gantung dulu, pengadilan belakangan'. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® through subspace channel > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: "ER [Energy Revolution]" <erianto.rachman@ gmail.com> > > > > > > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:48:45 > > > > > > To: <indo-startrek@ yahoogroups. com> > > > > > > Subject: [Indo-StarTrek] HUMAN RIGHT #11: We Are Always Innocent Until > > > Proven Guilty > > > > > > > > > > > > HUMAN RIGHT #11: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We Are Always Innocent Until Proven Guilty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nobody should be blamed for doing something until it is proven. 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