see file:///C:/Users/W7/Downloads/Sanskrit_and_the_Census_Part_1_Searching.pdf
file:///C:/Users/W7/Downloads/Sanskrit_and_the_Census_Part_2_The_Myth%20(1).pdf sob., 25 wrz 2021 o 16:16 Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY < [email protected]> napisał(a): > On the idea of Indian villages where Sanskrit supposedly is spoken, I > recommend Patrick McCartney’s excellent work, accessible e.g. here: > > https://patrickmccartney.academia.edu/research#recentlypublishedarticles > > All best, > Antonia > > On Sat 25. Sep 2021 at 16:11, Joanna Jurewicz <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> An eminent scholar and my colleague, Artur Karp, has just >> rightly questioned in a personal letter if there are Sanskrit native >> speakers. Well, there are villages in India where Sanskrit is spoken as the >> first language, but Artur is right, the expression "Sanskrit native >> speakers" was unfortunate. >> >> >> --- >> >> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz >> >> Katedra Azji Południowej /Chair of South Asia Studies >> >> Wydział Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies >> >> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw >> >> ul. Krakowskie Przedmieście 26/28 >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> 00-927 Warszawa >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g> >> , >> Poland >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages >> >> College of Human Sciences >> >> UNISA >> >> Pretoria, RSA >> >> Member of Academia Europaea >> >> https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz >> >> >> sob., 25 wrz 2021 o 15:07 Joanna Jurewicz <[email protected]> >> napisał(a): >> >>> What a wonderful website! >>> >>> I wish I could use ultrasonography when I teach my students to explain >>> the Sandhi phenomena, e.g. cerebralisation of consonants (cerebral >>> consonants are the most difficult consonants for Polish speakers). >>> >>> For example, it takes me much time to explain them how to pronounce the >>> noun *kṛṣṇa. *I tell them that if they want to properly express it, they >>> have to realise: >>> >>> 1) that they have to open their mouth slightly more than when they speak >>> Polish and release the muscles of their chicks and other muscles of the >>> lower part of their face, >>> >>> 1) that when they open the mouth slightly more and pronounce the >>> guttural "k", they will have a lot of place between the tip of the tongue >>> and the palate, >>> >>> 2) that, having pronounced "k", they have to push the tip of the >>> tongue slightly back (which is now not difficult thanks to creation of >>> space in the mouth), and quickly move it in order to pronounce the >>> vocalical "ṛ" (which is the same movement as in Polish "r"), >>> >>> 3) that, having pronounced "ṛ", they still have to keep their tongue >>> back (to "yoke" it) in order to pronounce the sibilant "ṣ" (which is >>> contrary to Polish habit to move the tongue a bit forward to pronounce the >>> Polish consonant "sz", the same is for English "sh"), >>> >>> 4) that, having pronounced "ṣ", they still have to "yoke" their tongue >>> in the same position to pronounce the cerebral "ṇ". >>> >>> I make funny faces when I try to "show" them this process, they laugh at >>> me, and I ask them why they don't laugh at people at the gym who train >>> various muscles of their body (which might look very funny too) and that >>> the tongue is a muscle too, moreover its structure is unique to human >>> species, because it allows us to speak. Then we come back to the exercises >>> until they say "wow, if we push our tongue back and keep it there, there is >>> no problems with "ṇ" !". Then they have to exercise until they are >>> able to pronounce the word quickly. >>> >>> The fact that the larynx is placed slightly more below in Sanskrit >>> pronunciation than in Polish is the upaniṣad and I teach it to them >>> later on. I have some devices to explain how to lower one's larynx. But the >>> video would be of much help. >>> >>> The movements of lips (generally speaking the whole vocal apparatus) >>> are also different, but this is easier to be shown. And the role of >>> breathing is crucial, of course (which I teach my students from the >>> very beginning). >>> >>> If I had such a device, it would be easier for me to explain to >>> them "the art of yoking of the tongue". >>> >>> It would be great if we could create such videos with Sanskrit native >>> speakers which would take into account the invisible aspects of Sanskrit >>> phonetics. I'd gladly take part in such an enterprise! >>> >>> Thank you very much, Adheesh. I will certainly use the page during my >>> phonetics classes to show the movements of the tongue in general >>> perspective. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Joanna >>> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz >>> >>> Katedra Azji Południowej /Chair of South Asia Studies >>> >>> Wydział Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies >>> >>> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw >>> >>> ul. Krakowskie Przedmieście 26/28 >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> >>> 00-927 Warszawa >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> , >>> Poland >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> >>> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages >>> >>> College of Human Sciences >>> >>> UNISA >>> >>> Pretoria, RSA >>> >>> Member of Academia Europaea >>> >>> https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz >>> >>> >>> pt., 24 wrz 2021 o 02:47 adheesh sathaye via INDOLOGY < >>> [email protected]> napisał(a): >>> >>>> Dear Marcis et al, >>>> >>>> I don’t know if this will be useful for your purposes, but the >>>> Linguistics department here at UBC has designed a website called >>>> “eNunciate!” with various linguistics learning tools, including “Sounds of >>>> the World’s Languages”, which provides videos illustrating the >>>> pronunciation of a broad range of IPA consonants and vowels, including, >>>> presumably, all sounds within the Sanskrit syllabary. >>>> They feature both graphical representations like you are looking for, >>>> as well as actual ultrasound captures of a live speaker. >>>> >>>> The site can be accessed here: >>>> https://enunciate.arts.ubc.ca/linguistics/world-sounds/ >>>> Similar animated videos are found on the ArticulatoryIPA YouTube site: >>>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuOKJqD00W2EiC3DHmOuu0g >>>> >>>> For a list of correspondences between IPA and the Sanskrit syllabary, >>>> you may consult Andrew Ollett’s excellent Sanskrit reference grammar >>>> (vṛddhiḥ) at the Univ. of Chicago, here: >>>> http://prakrit.info/vrddhi/grammar/ >>>> >>>> I am also currently making youtube videos that you can find if search >>>> for UBC Sanskrit on Youtube. These may or may not be useful. >>>> >>>> With all best wishes, >>>> Adheesh >>>> >>>> — >>>> Adheesh Sathaye >>>> University of British Columbia >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 04:56, Mārcis Gasūns via INDOLOGY < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Greetings, >>>> >>>> Is there something like this for Sanskrit (taken from >>>> https://archive.org/details/dli.ernet.503070/page/99/mode/2up)? The >>>> closes I've seen is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindustani_phonology but >>>> it has not pictures, only a vowel chart. >>>> Does >>>> https://archive.org/details/ACriticalStudyOfSanskritPhonetics_Mishra/img167_2R.jpg >>>> remains >>>> the only book on Sanskrit phonetics? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Marcis >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > [email protected] > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >
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