Dear Howard, Yes, that’s an example. But so is the Buddha’s confrontation with Māra. The issue is really over the place in Indian sources.
Ironically, though tapas is heat, it seems to come down to keeping one’s cool. Matthew Sent from [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/mail/home) for iOS On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 02:19, Howard Resnick <[[email protected]](mailto:On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 02:19, Howard Resnick <<a href=)> wrote: > Thank you Matthew. If I understand correctly your reference to autonomy and > heteronomy, then among many applications it reminds me of the common scenario > where Indra feels threatened by an aspiring yogī or tapasvī, and sends an > apsara to break the yogī’s tapas and thus neutralize his power. Thus the yogī > loses his autonomy and with it his power. In that sense extreme tapas might > be seen as liberating the soul from dependence on the body, with extreme > detachment producing extreme power. > > Just an idea… > > Thanks again, > Howard > >> On Aug 28, 2024, at 1:20 AM, Matthew Kapstein <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Howard, >> >> For some reason, I think that Heinrich Zimmer, >> may have written about this, but I’m away from my library and can’t recall >> exactly where. Maybe Philosophies of India. He was a Schopenhauerian, which >> would make good sense here, as the problem of the autonomy or heteronomy of >> the will seems clearly central to the topic that interests you. >> >> good luck >> Matthew >> >> Sent from [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/mail/home) for iOS >> >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 05:29, Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY >> <[[email protected]](mailto:On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 05:29, Howard >> Resnick via INDOLOGY <<a href=)> wrote: >> >>> Dear Scholars, >>> >>> Within various genres of Sanskrit literature, perhaps especially >>> itihāsa-purāṇa, we find a pervasive belief that tapasya — serious austerity >>> -- bestows power on the performer, either directly or through the agency of >>> a Deva, Ṛṣi, or other superior being. The examples are almost innumerable. >>> >>> I’m trying to explore this claim about the power of tapasya. On the >>> empirical side, one can speak of the power of mental discipline and >>> detachment from the body, etc. But of course empirically, there is nothing >>> like the supernatural results obtained by serious ascetics in the ancient >>> literature. >>> >>> One common apologetic is to attribute or assign such powers to the previous >>> three yugas, with the claim that those powers fail in Kali-yuga. >>> >>> I bring this up because I am working on a reconstruction of the famous >>> Mahābhārata story of Ambā who performed unimaginable tapasya, and then, as >>> a result, took birth as Śikhaṇḍī and enabled the killing of Bhīṣma at >>> Kurukṣetra. >>> >>> The facile explanation of course is to invoke the notion of pre-scientific >>> mythology. I am trying to take a more cautious approach. Of course tapasya >>> as a source of power intersects the notion of attaining yoga-siddhis, a >>> process in which tapasya is also heavily involved. >>> >>> I bring this up in a heuristic, exploratory way and would be grateful for >>> any observations, insights, or theories about this, especially the link >>> between severe self-abnegation and power. >>> >>> Thanks in advance! >>> >>> Howard >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology
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