Well, I wasn't sure if they were broken, or if I just didn't understand SVG/XML. I couldn't figure out how to use the tutorials. Maybe that's why they don't link to them anymore.
I agree. Let's leave them out :-) brynn -------------------------------------------------- From: "Maren Hachmann" <ma...@goos-habermann.de> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:20 PM To: "Brynn" <br...@frii.com>; <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: About SVG page > Hi Brynn, > > can your IE still interpret the contents of those tutorials? - For me, > they don't work at all, neither in Chromium nor in Firefox. And also, > all links I clicked on on the formular or list page were dead. There are > some boxes, and they are clickable, but nothing happens. > Some of the js the website needs doesn't even exist any more. > > I think you can happily leave them out... or do they work for you? > > Regards, > Maren > > Am 10.03.2015 um 02:41 schrieb Brynn: >> Hi again, Hhmm...well now I'm having 2nd thoughts about adding those >> tutorials. Can you look at them, and judge whether they are too >> out-of-date? Or do you think they will be about like the book -- >> still useful? It's all a bit over my head, especially the math and >> scripting. These are the tutorials that share the same domain: >> http://learnsvg.com/tutorials/tutorialBasics/ >> http://learnsvg.com/tutorials/tutorialMath/ >> http://learnsvg.com/tutorials/tutorialScripting/ It's too bad >> everything isn't all linked together, like you'd expect, then we'd >> only need to link to the front page. But maybe there's a reason? >> >> Thanks :-) brynn >> >> -------------------------------------------------- From: "Maren >> Hachmann" <ma...@goos-habermann.de> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 2:56 >> PM To: "Brynn" <br...@frii.com>; >> <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: About SVG page >> >>> >> Hi Brynn, >> >>>>> I do still want to add the Learn SVG website, and the tutorials >>>>> which are on that same domain (although somehow not linked to >>>>> each other), if that's ok, as well as the book. >> >> - The website and book are in now, and I've gotten feedback from Tav >> and adapted the page, so you can now add the still missing tutorials >> ;) >> >>>>> >>>>> But I'll be happy to start a page on animation topics. It will >>>>> be fun and informative :-) Should it be in Learn sub-menu, or >>>>> Develop? I would think Learn, but I often don't see the "big >>>>> picture". >> >> - To me, Learn also makes more sense, as it's geared towards a more >> general audience - not only Inkscape developers want to make their >> pictures move ;) >> >> Regards, Maren >> >> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- From: >>>>> "Maren Hachmann" <ma...@goos-habermann.de> Sent: Saturday, >>>>> March 07, 2015 5:33 PM To: "Brynn" <br...@frii.com>; >>>>> <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: About SVG >>>>> page >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Hi Brynn, >>>>> >>>>> thank you for your feedback! >>>>> >>>>> ad 1) I was able to shorten it to a bit less than 3 screen >>>>> heights. The expanding box would be nice, but we don't have >>>>> something like that available currently, I believe. Maybe >>>>> something for a website feature request? >>>>> >>>>> ad 3) No ETA yet. I still need feedback and keywords from Tav. >>>>> This shouldn't prevent you from starting with the animation >>>>> page, though. I can take care of the rest of this page ('About >>>>> SVG'), if you would like to proceed. >>>>> >>>>> The link selection you added to the page looks like a really >>>>> good selection, I only added the SVG 2.0 draft to the link >>>>> list, and renamed two items. Thank you! >>>>> >>>>> Regards, Maren >>>>> >>>>> Am 07.03.2015 um 02:34 schrieb Brynn: >>>>>>>> Hi again, This is a reply to the last msg in the "Where >>>>>>>> does this belong" >>>>> thread. But I think that topic has ended, and has now become >>>>> more about the new page. I hope it's ok to start a new thread >>>>> like this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. I was just looking at the new About SVG page >>>>>>>> that Maren >>>>> started, which looks awesome! The one thing that I wonder >>>>> about is the section of code in the middle. It's approx 5.5 >>>>> pages long, on my screen. Would it be possible to make the >>>>> text smaller (say by 2 to 4 pts), so that it takes up less >>>>> space? Or show less of the code? Or maybe put it on another >>>>> page, and link to it? Or have a very small block, say 100 or >>>>> 200 pixels square, and when you either click, or mouseover, it >>>>> expands down? >>>>>>>> I completely understand the purpose of showing it, and >>>>>>>> it's a >>>>> good thing. But after 2 or 3 page-downs, I wonder if visitors >>>>> will think that's the end of the page, and move on? Plus, I >>>>> imagine the "How does Inkscape use SVG" section could be fairly >>>>> long, as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2. Since we can't make the links yet, I guess I'll >>>>>>>> just put the >>>>> URL for each link, on the draft page. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3. Now that we have this draft on staging, is >>>>>>>> there any idea >>>>> when it will go up on live? I ask, because I'm anxious to >>>>> start a page for animation topics, but want to see this through >>>>> first. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4. Does anyone know who might be responsible for >>>>>>>> the Learn SVG >>>>> site, or at least who put it on the Books page? It still just >>>>> bugs me that various parts of that site aren't connected >>>>> together (via link from its front page). It's something that >>>>> makes me think the site will succumb to bitrot sooner than >>>>> later (maybe has already started) and makes me not want to use >>>>> it. But otherwise, it really is a nice site. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, brynn >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- From: >>>>>>>> "Maren Hachmann" <ma...@goos-habermann.de> Sent: >>>>>>>> Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:50 PM To: >>>>>>>> <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: >>>>>>>> [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG >>>>> coding) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've started the 'About SVG' page for the 'Develop' >>>>>>>>> submenu at >>>>>>>>> http://staging.inkscape.org/en/develop/about-svg. >>>>>>>>> There aren't any links in it yet, because of the plugin >>>>>>>>> links not being transferable from staging to live. Text >>>>>>>>> formatting isn't finished yet, either. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The last section, where links to external pages will >>>>>>>>> live, is your realm, Brynn :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For the next-to-last section, I would appreciate Tav's >>>>>>>>> and every other developer's help for prompting me with >>>>>>>>> some keywords, and probably people will also have >>>>>>>>> additional remarks for the 'Why...' section. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Improvement / wording / orthography suggestions >>>>>>>>> welcome! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, Maren >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Am 04.03.2015 um 18:17 schrieb Maren Hachmann: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Brynn, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Am 04.03.2015 um 00:52 schrieb Brynn: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I did a little searching, but then I wanted to see >>>>>>>>>>> the overview that you were going to write, to get >>>>>>>>>>> some hints about some different search terms. >>>>>>>>>>> (I'm not very knowledgeable about this.) So far, >>>>>>>>>>> I've found a few tutorials (on writing SVG). >>>>>>>>>>> Although I agree that we probably want to limit the >>>>>>>>>>> "unofficial links", as much as possible. Martin >>>>>>>>>>> replied to me privately (for some reason), saying >>>>>>>>>>> he didn't think a new menu item is needed, and that >>>>>>>>>>> he thinks the new page about SVG should go in >>>>>>>>>>> Develop menu. It sounds like the page should have >>>>>>>>>>> 2 sections: How Inkscape Uses SVG2 and Learn SVG. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Sounds good to me, and it sounds like we'll >>>>>>>>>> definitely need some input from Tav for the >>>>>>>>>> specifics... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> OH!! I found it. I don't know why in the world a >>>>>>>>>>> website set up to accompany a book, doesn't have a >>>>>>>>>>> link to the book *anywhere* on the site!! But here >>>>>>>>>>> it is: -- free PDF download: >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/58271695/Learn-SVG -- >>>>>>>>>>> purchase: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/5485/Learn-SVG-The-Web-Graphics-Standard >> >> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Those should probably go on Books and Manuals >>>>>>>>>>> page? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Congrats on finding it :) and thanks for not giving >>>>>>>>>> up digging! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, I think that link could be added back in there, >>>>>>>>>> with one caveat: The text is from ~ 2003. The >>>>>>>>>> principles are probably still the same for the >>>>>>>>>> majority of the contents, the maths didn't change, >>>>>>>>>> and I believe backwards compatibility is something >>>>>>>>>> which is taken seriously by W3C, but many details and >>>>>>>>>> tipps and tricks mentioned in the text will be >>>>>>>>>> outdated, and some new functionality must have been >>>>>>>>>> built in in the meantime. There are some nice >>>>>>>>>> nostalgic screenshots of Netscape - and in contrast >>>>>>>>>> to the text, even IE now supports SVG... ;) So we'll >>>>>>>>>> need to add a hint about the age of the text, and >>>>>>>>>> about the areas where it is still valid, and where it >>>>>>>>>> is not. I can't really judge this, unfortunately. >>>>>>>>>> Another question for Tav, I'm afraid. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, Maren >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> All best :-) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Maren Hachmann" <ma...@goos-habermann.de> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:33 AM To: >>>>>>>>>>> <br...@inkscapecommunity.com>; "Inkscape-Docs" >>>>>>>>>>> <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: >>>>>>>>>>> [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" >>>>>>>>>>> SVG coding) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Brynn, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> finally, I'm back and have some time to write >>>>>>>>>>> something up. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok :-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm about to go offline for now. But I'll >>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan on doing some >>>>>>>>>>> searching, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> next time I'm back online, and I'll look for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a new page with intro >>>>>>>>>>> text, if >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can get it started, Maren. And then >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maren and I can collaborate from there. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe during my search I'll get some ideas >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about organizing the page. It may end up >>>>>>>>>>>>>> being just a handful of links, but....well, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as we've said, at least it will be a start. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Do you already have a list of links which should >>>>>>>>>>> be included in the SVG page and/or the SVG >>>>>>>>>>> animation page? And has there been any progress on >>>>>>>>>>> where those pages should end up? It's also possible >>>>>>>>>>> to move a page after it has been created, so if we >>>>>>>>>>> don't know where to put it yet, it's not so >>>>>>>>>>> problematic (Although it would help to know the >>>>>>>>>>> intended audience of a text before writing it...) >>>>>>>>>>> Just don't put it in the menu before it is finished >>>>>>>>>>> (the little red/green sign at the end of the row in >>>>>>>>>>> the pages list should be red), and don't link to >>>>>>>>>>> it before we know where it will live. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> uh-oh.....could the site, the django part >>>>>>>>>>>>>> handle some simple animation of SVG?....maybe >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you guys >>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to set up that part of the page, since I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't understand a lot of those django >>>>>>>>>>>>>> plugins? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - I think that should work just fine. It only >>>>>>>>>>> depends on browser support, but not on the website. >>>>>>>>>>> A js-based animation made with sozi can be viewed >>>>>>>>>>> by clicking the 'view' button: >>>>>>>>>>> http://staging.inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/19/ . >>>>>>>>>>> I copied Tav's SMIL/CSS animations from his page >>>>>>>>>>> http://tavmjong.free.fr/SVG/ANIMATION/ to check, as >>>>>>>>>>> I didn't have any: a SMIL animation can be viewed >>>>>>>>>>> directly, even in the gallery view; a CSS based >>>>>>>>>>> animation can be viewed with the view button. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, Maren >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go >>>>>>>>>> Parallel Website, sponsored >>>>>>>>>>>> by Intel and developed in partnership with >>>>>>>>>>>> Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things >>>>>>>>>>>> parallel software development, from weekly >>>>>>>>>>>> thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case >>>>>>>>>>>> studies, tutorials and more. 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