>>>> I believe that the IETF has shown no interest in working on the IPv10 >>>> draft, and so you should a: abandon it or b: consider working on it in >>>> some other standards organization.
Every one can say his own opinion about IPv10 I-D, I will not ask more about a discussion or wg or review as no interest is shown. But I still have three more IDs in the IETF repository and no discussion occurred since they were uploaded. This means that the issue is not on the technical details, the issue is personal that shouldn't be at the IETF because it doesn't matter from where the author is or people looking for more things other than technical discussion. Best regards, Khaled Omar -----Original Message----- From: Warren Kumari [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 8:27 PM To: Khaled Omar Cc: int-area Subject: Re: [Int-area] IPv10. On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Khaled Omar <[email protected]> wrote: > So in your opinion, what should happen now? Updating the I-D only? Or we > should go forward? Or the IPv10 draft is not interesting at all? I believe that the IETF has shown no interest in working on the IPv10 draft, and so you should a: abandon it or b: consider working on it in some other standards organization. W > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Int-area [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of JORDI > PALET MARTINEZ > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:29 PM > To: int-area > Subject: Re: [Int-area] IPv10. > > Respecting people and their time means that before asking once and again > about changing the process for you, or the process itself, you MUST have read > the process documents, which doesn’t seem to be the case. > > If you did that, then you don’t understand the documents, and then you need > some help *before* contributing, to clarify your mind about the process. > Otherwise you waste your time and the rest of us time. > > Regards, > Jordi > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Int-area <[email protected]> en nombre de Khaled Omar > <[email protected]> Responder a: > <[email protected]> > Fecha: miércoles, 13 de septiembre de 2017, 1:24 > Para: int-area <[email protected]> > Asunto: Re: [Int-area] IPv10. > > >>>> Will all the respect from my side, believe me, I’m taking it really > easy and calm, but I think many of us here believe that you don't respect us, > neither our work, neither our time, neither are respectful in general by > continuously forwarding private emails and repeating things that are wrong > and have been explained to you several times. Not helping you, not helping > anyone. > > Why you say I disrespect you ? I don't like waste of time because if I > feel things are not going good with the IETF members or participants, simply > I will go away. > > All what I was asking for is a WG so all interested people participate on > the discussion and to avoid repeating questions many times. > > Eventually, please stop saying claims about me like: > > " but I think many of us here believe that you don't respect us, neither > our work, neither our time, neither are respectful in general by continuously > forwarding private emails and repeating things that are wrong and have been > explained to you several times" > > Because if I do, I wouldn't be here answering people's questions and know > more people. > > Best regards, > > Khaled Omar > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Int-area [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of JORDI > PALET MARTINEZ > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:09 PM > To: int-area > Subject: Re: [Int-area] IPv10. > > I believe everybody here is taking it very easy, but seems that some > folks insist in not reading all the suggestions received and specially all > the IETF documents prepared for new participants, including the ones > available in every IETF meeting during the Sunday tutorials. > > Several of us, have explained you and public and private, how it works, > and that you must read those documents to make our participation profitable > for everyone. > > Will all the respect from my side, believe me, I’m taking it really easy > and calm, but I think many of us here believe that you don't respect us, > neither our work, neither our time, neither are respectful in general by > continuously forwarding private emails and repeating things that are wrong > and have been explained to you several times. Not helping you, not helping > anyone. > > Regards, > Jordi > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Int-area <[email protected]> en nombre de Khaled Omar > <[email protected]> Responder a: <[email protected]> > Fecha: martes, 12 de septiembre de 2017, 23:06 > Para: int-area <[email protected]> > Asunto: Re: [Int-area] IPv10. > > This was a suggestion, take it easy. > > Best regards, > > Khaled Omar > > -----Original Message----- > From: Int-area [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of JORDI > PALET MARTINEZ > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:31 PM > To: int-area > Subject: Re: [Int-area] IPv10. > > So, you expect that we change the rules for you, or we should change > them for everybody? > > Rules have been defined by the community for a good reason. > > If we change the rules for everybody, then you should expect > thousands of WGs being created every other day, with no consensus, lot of > community time lost and nobody paying attention to the real work, so we could > shutdown IETF. > > Regards, > Jordi > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Int-area <[email protected]> en nombre de Khaled Omar > <[email protected]> Responder a: <[email protected]> > Fecha: martes, 12 de septiembre de 2017, 22:25 > Para: Lee Howard <[email protected]> > CC: int-area <[email protected]> > Asunto: Re: [Int-area] IPv10. > > > > > We can make the opposite, first creating a wg, then we will know > who is interested to work on the IPv10 I-D. > > Khaled Omar > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Int-area] IPv10. > From: Lee Howard > To: Khaled Omar > CC: int-area > > > > > > > > From: Khaled Omar <[email protected]> > Date: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 at 9:17 AM > To: Lee Howard <[email protected]> > Cc: int-area <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [Int-area] IPv10. > > > > >After answering questions of people who send me e-mails publicly > or privately the discussion stops at this point, that’s why I keep updating > the I-D to make it more clear for other people reading the draft for > > the 1st time. > > > >If there are people who want to work on IPv10, they need to say > so. There can’t be consensus if only one or two people think a document is > worth working on. If you have received private statements > > of support, those people need to send messages to the list. > > > >Yes, they have to send to the list but some are asking if there > is a wg for IPv10 or not. > > > > > > > > > There won’t be a working group unless there are people interested > in forming a working group. > > > Lee > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Lee Howard [mailto:[email protected]] > > > >Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:08 PM > >To: Khaled Omar; int-area > >Subject: Re: [Int-area] IPv10. > > > > > > > >What evidence do you see that there is consensus support for > this? > > > >For an IETF document, it should get adopted by a working group > (WG). If there is no existing WG which could include this in its charter, you > might need to create a WG; Area Directors (ADs) would > > want to see that there was broad support for the effort, and > many people willing to work on it. I’m not an AD, but I would question one > who thought there was consensus support for IPv10. > > > > > > > >If there are people who want to work on IPv10, they need to say > so. There can’t be consensus if only one or two people think a document is > worth working on. If you have received private statemetns > > of support, those people need to send messages to the list. > > > > > > > >Lee > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Int-area <[email protected]> on behalf of Khaled > Omar <[email protected]> > >Date: Monday, September 11, 2017 at 4:53 PM > >To: int-area <[email protected]> > >Cc: intarea-ads <[email protected]>, intarea-chairs > <[email protected]> > >Subject: [Int-area] IPv10. > > > > > > > >>Hi all, > >> > >>Is IPv10 still not considered on your list of agenda, I think > the discussion phase has passed. > >> > >>I would like thank everyone who participated or reviewed the > IPv10 I-D, but still some steps of work to be done and the decision is out of > my hands. > >> > >>I don’t know how consensus be calculated at the IETF and whom > is responsible for its final decision, either still some work to be done for > adoption or start publishing the I-D. > >> > >>Waiting for the coming meeting is not a good idea as there is a > short time for the presentation and we may face another remote technical > problem as occurred at IETF 98. > >> > >> > >>Best regards, > >> > >>Khaled Omar > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ Int-area > mailing list > >>[email protected] > >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area > <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Int-area mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area > > > > > ********************************************** > IPv4 is over > Are you ready for the new Internet ? > http://www.consulintel.es > The IPv6 Company > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged > or confidential. 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This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf _______________________________________________ Int-area mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area
