On 12 Sep 2017, at 18:39, Khaled Omar <[email protected]> wrote: > > So in your opinion, what should happen now? Updating the I-D only? Or we > should go forward? Or the IPv10 draft is not interesting at all?
I believe you can request an IETF mail list, e.g. [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> to discuss your proposal. But to form a WG you need to meet the criteria of RFC 5434 - see https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5434 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5434>, and as it stands, I’m afraid you don’t meet any of the criteria to even have a WG-forming BoF approved. The IETF works on rough consensus and running code, and you don’t have either, at least yet. Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Int-area [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of JORDI PALET > MARTINEZ > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:29 PM > To: int-area > Subject: Re: [Int-area] IPv10. > > Respecting people and their time means that before asking once and again > about changing the process for you, or the process itself, you MUST have read > the process documents, which doesn’t seem to be the case. > > If you did that, then you don’t understand the documents, and then you need > some help *before* contributing, to clarify your mind about the process. > Otherwise you waste your time and the rest of us time. > > Regards, > Jordi > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Int-area <[email protected]> en nombre de Khaled Omar > <[email protected]> Responder a: <[email protected]> > Fecha: miércoles, 13 de septiembre de 2017, 1:24 > Para: int-area <[email protected]> > Asunto: Re: [Int-area] IPv10. > >>>>> Will all the respect from my side, believe me, I’m taking it really easy >>>>> and calm, but I think many of us here believe that you don't respect us, >>>>> neither our work, neither our time, neither are respectful in general by >>>>> continuously forwarding private emails and repeating things that are >>>>> wrong and have been explained to you several times. Not helping you, not >>>>> helping anyone. > > Why you say I disrespect you ? I don't like waste of time because if I > feel things are not going good with the IETF members or participants, simply > I will go away. > > All what I was asking for is a WG so all interested people participate on > the discussion and to avoid repeating questions many times. > > Eventually, please stop saying claims about me like: > > " but I think many of us here believe that you don't respect us, neither > our work, neither our time, neither are respectful in general by continuously > forwarding private emails and repeating things that are wrong and have been > explained to you several times" > > Because if I do, I wouldn't be here answering people's questions and know > more people. > > Best regards, > > Khaled Omar > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Int-area [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of JORDI PALET > MARTINEZ > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:09 PM > To: int-area > Subject: Re: [Int-area] IPv10. > > I believe everybody here is taking it very easy, but seems that some folks > insist in not reading all the suggestions received and specially all the IETF > documents prepared for new participants, including the ones available in > every IETF meeting during the Sunday tutorials. > > Several of us, have explained you and public and private, how it works, > and that you must read those documents to make our participation profitable > for everyone. > > Will all the respect from my side, believe me, I’m taking it really easy > and calm, but I think many of us here believe that you don't respect us, > neither our work, neither our time, neither are respectful in general by > continuously forwarding private emails and repeating things that are wrong > and have been explained to you several times. Not helping you, not helping > anyone. > > Regards, > Jordi > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Int-area <[email protected]> en nombre de Khaled Omar > <[email protected]> Responder a: <[email protected]> > Fecha: martes, 12 de septiembre de 2017, 23:06 > Para: int-area <[email protected]> > Asunto: Re: [Int-area] IPv10. > > This was a suggestion, take it easy. > > Best regards, > > Khaled Omar > > -----Original Message----- > From: Int-area [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of JORDI > PALET MARTINEZ > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:31 PM > To: int-area > Subject: Re: [Int-area] IPv10. > > So, you expect that we change the rules for you, or we should change > them for everybody? > > Rules have been defined by the community for a good reason. > > If we change the rules for everybody, then you should expect thousands > of WGs being created every other day, with no consensus, lot of community > time lost and nobody paying attention to the real work, so we could shutdown > IETF. > > Regards, > Jordi > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Int-area <[email protected]> en nombre de Khaled Omar > <[email protected]> Responder a: <[email protected]> > Fecha: martes, 12 de septiembre de 2017, 22:25 > Para: Lee Howard <[email protected]> > CC: int-area <[email protected]> > Asunto: Re: [Int-area] IPv10. > > > > > We can make the opposite, first creating a wg, then we will know > who is interested to work on the IPv10 I-D. > > Khaled Omar > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Int-area] IPv10. > From: Lee Howard > To: Khaled Omar > CC: int-area > > > > > > > > From: Khaled Omar <[email protected]> > Date: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 at 9:17 AM > To: Lee Howard <[email protected]> > Cc: int-area <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [Int-area] IPv10. > > > >> After answering questions of people who send me e-mails publicly or >> privately the discussion stops at this point, that’s why I keep updating the >> I-D to make it more clear for other people reading the draft for >> the 1st time. >> >> If there are people who want to work on IPv10, they need to say so. There >> can’t be consensus if only one or two people think a document is worth >> working on. If you have received private statements >> of support, those people need to send messages to the list. >> >> Yes, they have to send to the list but some are asking if there is a wg for >> IPv10 or not. >> >> >> > > > There won’t be a working group unless there are people interested > in forming a working group. > > > Lee > > >> >> >> >> >> From: Lee Howard [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:08 PM >> To: Khaled Omar; int-area >> Subject: Re: [Int-area] IPv10. >> >> >> >> What evidence do you see that there is consensus support for this? >> >> For an IETF document, it should get adopted by a working group (WG). If >> there is no existing WG which could include this in its charter, you might >> need to create a WG; Area Directors (ADs) would >> want to see that there was broad support for the effort, and many people >> willing to work on it. I’m not an AD, but I would question one who thought >> there was consensus support for IPv10. >> >> >> >> If there are people who want to work on IPv10, they need to say so. There >> can’t be consensus if only one or two people think a document is worth >> working on. If you have received private statemetns >> of support, those people need to send messages to the list. >> >> >> >> Lee >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Int-area <[email protected]> on behalf of Khaled Omar >> <[email protected]> >> Date: Monday, September 11, 2017 at 4:53 PM >> To: int-area <[email protected]> >> Cc: intarea-ads <[email protected]>, intarea-chairs >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: [Int-area] IPv10. >> >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Is IPv10 still not considered on your list of agenda, I think the >>> discussion phase has passed. >>> >>> I would like thank everyone who participated or reviewed the IPv10 I-D, but >>> still some steps of work to be done and the decision is out of my hands. >>> >>> I don’t know how consensus be calculated at the IETF and whom is >>> responsible for its final decision, either still some work to be done for >>> adoption or start publishing the I-D. >>> >>> Waiting for the coming meeting is not a good idea as there is a short time >>> for the presentation and we may face another remote technical problem as >>> occurred at IETF 98. >>> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Khaled Omar >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ Int-area mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area >>> <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area> >> >> >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Int-area mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area > > > > > ********************************************** > IPv4 is over > Are you ready for the new Internet ? > http://www.consulintel.es > The IPv6 Company > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged > or confidential. 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