> ________________________________ > Von: naitsi...@e.mail.de <naitsi...@e.mail.de> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. März 2022, 12:16 > An: andr...@heigl.org; internals@lists.php.net; crocodil...@gmail.com > Betreff: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop > Russian agression > > Am 02-Mar-2022 11:39:01 +0100 schrieb andr...@heigl.org: > > Hey All > > > > On 02.03.22 11:16, Aaron Junker wrote: > > > I'm not an internal, but I support this idea. > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Lynn <kja...@gmail.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2022 10:36:32 AM > > > To: Victor Bolshov <crocodil...@gmail.com> > > > Cc: PHP internals <internals@lists.php.net> > > > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop > > > Russian agression > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 10:31 AM Victor Bolshov <crocodil...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Hello internals. > > >> > > >> In these dark days for humanity, we as people of civilization, people > > >> of sanity, kind and caring people with children and families - we have > > >> to speak up, loud and clear, in support for Ukraine. To stop Russian > > >> aggression. > > >> > > >> I suggest to add Ukranian flag and a supportive anti-war disclaimer to > > >> the header of php.net website. > > >> > > >> Why is this important? There are a lot of PHP developers in Russia. A > > >> lot of them, sadly, have been brainwashed by Putin's propaganda. They > > >> still must have a lot of respect to PHP authors and creators. Seeing > > >> that these people, who have their respect, are against the war and for > > >> the freedom of Ukraine, might have an impact. > > >> > > >> This is not the time to "stay away from politics", we are experiencing > > >> an attack on humanity itself. Take example from > > >> <https://junit.org/junit5/> and their clear statement. > > >> > > >> Say NO to war! > > >> > > > > > > +100, Symfony has also added a banner on the front page that links to > > > https://symfony.com/blog/symfony-stands-with-ukraine > > > > I'd be in favour of the idea as well. > > > > Best would be though to create a PR against the > > https://github.com/php/web-php repo. > > > > Cheers > > > > Andreas > > I'd support this, if there will be added flags of all countries where armed > conflicts are going on. There's a list on Wikipedia[1] were those are shown. > Otherwise the people in those areas are discriminated. > > > >> A lot of them, sadly, have been brainwashed by Putin's propaganda. > > Do you have any numbers? > > PHP's community is very diverse. Starting to support one party of the > conflict will create separation of the community. And in future political > conflicts PHP will have to take sides, too. Which leads to more separation. > Please don't start that now. Or we will get in trouble in the future. > > Best regards > Christian > > [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: https://www.php.net/unsub.php >
Hi Aaron, Am 02-Mar-2022 12:58:49 +0100 schrieb aaron.jun...@outlook.com: > Hi Christian > > > I'd support this, if there will be added flags of all countries where armed > > conflicts are going on. There's a list on Wikipedia[1] were those are shown. > > Otherwise the people in those areas are discriminated. > > You have a valid point, however it's not always clear which side is "right" > and which is "wrong", as in Ukraine, Russia just invaded Ukraine, without any > right to do that. this is exactly the problem. Russia did not just invaded Ukrainia out of nowhere. The story started in 2014 with the illegal coup d'etat against Viktor Yanukovych and its acceptance by the western countries. Or even earlier, with the eastern extension of the EU and the Nato, to get Ukriane on their side, stoping the political neutrality of Ukraine between Russia and the western. As you see, it is not as simple. Should we start a discussion now? I do not think so. It would not help anybody. Wars or conflicts are never simple. Usually there's a long story. Taking ones side in political conflicts will separate the community for sure. Please do not start that. You and anybody else can show their political position on twitter, facebook or elsewhere. We do not need to do that on php.net. > > And for certain conflicts only showing a flag could provocate some people. > > Best regards > Aaron > Best regards Christian -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: https://www.php.net/unsub.php
