Sure, Marcus, I understand that. I was just explaining to Lukas what
this commonly used CLA variant mandates.
David
P.S: in strict legal terms, even in PHP, you just implicitly grant a
perpetual, royalty-free etc license to the PHP project by committing a
changeset as in many European countries, such as Germany, copyright is
not transferrable.
Am 20.12.2007 um 17:07 schrieb Marcus Boerger:
Hello David, Lukas,
this is all bullshit! In PHP we simply grant the stuff to the PHP
project
by putting it under the copyright of 'The PHP Group'. That is all that
should ever be necessary. And to Lukas, you either violated a signed
agreement here by telling us stuff you learned while being part of
that
group - or you are speculating. You should however not do that!
Maybe not
even IBM is interested in that stuff? So far all I see is some IBM
people
comitting stuff to PHP. All happily done accepting our normal rules.
marcus
Thursday, December 20, 2007, 4:31:34 PM, you wrote:
No. This Apache CLA most of today's CLAs used by open source projects
(Zend Framework, Cake etc) are derived from require you to grant an
unlimited, unrevocable, royalte-free, blah-blah license to use your
contribution, and, if _you_ hold patents on this invention, that you
grant the same for those patents you own. Those CLAs do not require
that you guarantee that your contribution is not violating any 3rd-
party patents.
David
Am 20.12.2007 um 16:08 schrieb Lukas Kahwe Smith:
On 30.11.2007, at 00:09, Steph Fox wrote:
Stas - we don't even know what they're planning to put into CVS.
Just
And waiting couple of days for the explanation is of course not an
option.
But opening up a module in the php.net CVS repository that php.net
contributors are excluded from without discussion is?
Right .. and there is still nothing published. The "complainers" are
definitely the ones to point to as the "first to shoot." Anyways the
definition of a "soon" let alone "few weeks" is getting stretched by
now.
That being said, from all I have heard the CLA thing is not
something that only IBM is pushing in this context. There are
multiple companies that are involved behind the scenes, including
MySQL AB. And yes MySQL AB also has a CLA, so does ez Systems. The
key question is about the patent clause, not about the copyright.
Here the question is what exactly I as a contributor promise. Do I
promise that I own and grant licenses to all the relevant patents or
just that if I happen to own any patents that cover the contributed
code, that I also grant a license. The former would be unacceptable
by my standards (and by pretty much everyone I have talked to on the
matter), while the former seems to be ok (while still being a
hinderance for some people who are employed by larger companies) to
stop/hinder patent trolls.
regards,
Lukas
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