On 14.01.2016, at 13:18, Zeev Suraski <z...@zend.com> wrote:

> The way I see it, we don't need to acknowledge having a problem in order to 
> want to improve.  I'm sure that resonates with most developers on this list - 
> wanting to continuously improve does not mean you're saying that things were 
> problematic to begin with.  Instead, it's an assumption which is literally 
> always true - wherever you are, whatever you do, you can always do better.  
> It's true for everything - processes, relationships, code - and mailing list 
> etiquette.
> 
> The right question, IMHO, is do we want to improve?  Do we want to try and be 
> more polite and respectful?  Do we want to try and improve the atmosphere?  
> That's a much easier goal to rally around, I think, and for the most part, I 
> can hardly imagine there won't be consensus around it. 

I really like this line of thinking, and the positivity it projects.

David



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