On Thu, 21 Jan 2016, Allan MacGregor wrote: > Taking a step back, instead taking a knee-jerk reaction; I think Kevin > brought up a valid point. Is very clear that there are certain actors > that are pushing for a specific version of this code of conduct to use > it as a political tool.
I am going to stop you right there. There is no agreement on the text of the code of conduct, and rather, perhaps not even on the base which might result in PHP's version of anything. Randi merely pointed out her specific issues with an alternative Code of Conduct (which, funnily, said it is actually not one). As I already wrote, I don't think it's suitable: http://news.php.net/php.internals/90771 > This is it what concerns most people regarding this specific CoC; you > want to debate the CoC proposed, fine. Personally here are my issues > with it: > > - Language is vague and open to interpretation > - The CoC seems to be more concern with punitive action rather than > establishing the values of the community. Picking up on these two first. Both points are probably valid, and I have already asked for constructive feedback on it. Just stating these two points is not feedback, it's just saying that you don't like it. Suggest how to improve it, and I would be more than happy to listen to the feedback. We might not agree though. > - There is no mechanism or ability for one to confront ones accuser That is a tricky one. In my opinion, in the case of abuse as pointed out in the draft CoC, I think this is fair, and necessary that we all for reports of abuse in private, and with secrecy. Without it, an accusor is likely immediately going to be lambasted by the perpetrator. Having a private mediation board or process is for the same reasons that companies allow annonymous feedback about managers, co-workers, peers and leadership. Their HR basically would function as our proposed Mediation Team. Without privacy, it is extremely unlikely people would even bother putting in a complaint, afraid of a public outlash. However, the accuser can through the Mediation Team of course reach the complainant - but the identity should be guarded as private. The current language in the RFC reads: "Reasonable efforts should be taken to ensure the privacy of the reporting party. The only two exceptions would be if the incident was public or if the reporting party agrees to be identified." That is in the context only among the accusor, Mediation Team, and accused. Not towards the community as a whole. cheers, Derick -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
