> I have always viewed Avalon as a server platform, hence > was bothered that it didn't have convenient/solid logging, > usable error messages on configuration problems, no service > installation feature, and etc...
I believe that those are things that Avalon would view as responsibilities of a container, so you would be right to complain about things being missing from, for example, Phoenix. > the Avalon community IS looking at this project as primarily > a way to make the IoC design pattern much easier to implement > and use. Perhaps, but when they implement pooling, threading, I/O packages, and all of the other stuff, they are making a commitment, not just providing a proof of concept. > The servlet group rejected [mailets as servlets] then largely > because servlets (HTTP) is a request/response model while > mailets (SMTP) are a filtering/queuing/messaging model. That's the same way I view it. Similar philosophically, but different where the models are different. > At this point I think following the same J2EE design patterns > will allow us to get traction from that community even more. In fact, we should probably invite Remy to participate as we incorporate org.apache.naming, and I am beginning to think that it should eventually be moved into Commons. --- Noel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]