> Umm, perhaps if you gave me a list of dictionary-form godan -ru verbs
> so when I encounter them, I will be more familiar, would be helpful.

How long a list do you want? :)  Here's a few

åïããïãã
æïããïã
èïãïãã
éïããïã
æïããïãã
çïããïã
åïããïã
åïãïã
åïãïã
çïãïãã

> Since I don't have money, I take a different approach and learn
> through (well try) with continuous usage, to get the irregularities
> first after some settling in a language. 

I think this is what schools typically do with students.  I took 2
years of high school spanish and for most of those 2 years, all I was
doing was conjugating spanish verbs, even though I didn't know what
some of those verbs meant and how to use them properly.     To make a
short story shorter, I can still conjugate spanish verbs even now, but
if you ask me to write a simple spanish sentence, I'd be stumped
completely.

My lesson from that is:  If you don't know WHY you're conjugating a
verb, don't bother conjugating it.   I conjugate a verb only when I
need to.  Conjugating is a means to an end, not the end result itself.

This is why I think the pimsleur audio programs are so great.   The
rules of grammar are omitted completely, and you learn only through
context and association, which is how the brain naturally works.  
Some people hate this kind of learning because they can't stand
knowing something without understanding the "rules and regulations" of
the language, so they get frustrated by this fact.   This type of
mental conditioning actually prevents them from learning quicker and
more efficiently.   Unfortunately the price of the pimsleur programs
are more like highway robbery.


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