> Umm, perhaps if you gave me a list of dictionary-form godan -ru verbs > > so when I encounter them, I will be more familiar, would be helpful. > > How long a list do you want? :) Here's a few > > 助（たす）かる > 治（なお）る > 起（お）�"る > 頼（たよ）る > 混（まざ）ざる > 登（のぼ）る > 守（まも）る > 割（わ）る > 寄（よ）る > 締（し）まる
Thank you!! I'll record them in my notebook, and find what they mean (that would help, lol). One of them I already know, which is a good thing for me! :D asatte sensei no huransu-go ni nihongo de hanasitai desu yo! That's why I'm trying to learn some verbs before I go on to more vocab. ( I hope that sentence even looks right!!) > I think this is what schools typically do with students. I took 2 > years of high school spanish and for most of those 2 years, all I was > doing was conjugating spanish verbs, even though I didn't know what > some of those verbs meant and how to use them properly. To make a > short story shorter, I can still conjugate spanish verbs even now, but > if you ask me to write a simple spanish sentence, I'd be stumped > completely. Really? Our school doesn't just work on verbs only!! I think the school method works for me, which they concentrate on writing, reading, speaking, and hearing (we learned all sorts in the grammar; if your school only functioned on verbs in spanish, I'd really question your teacher's teaching methods); I learn WAY faster when knowing the grammar with some vocabulary; I agree that immersion is the best, but the pimsleur audio programs don't really benefit much for me; the ones I find are only for conversational purposes and not for attaining fluency, though it may be a good start. And because I'm also used to Romance and Austronesian and Japanese grammars, others don't prove to be too much of stumpers. I find spanish and french a cinch for reading, speaking and writing, but french hearing can be difficult to dicipher!! Getting better at that though! > My lesson from that is: If you don't know WHY you're conjugating a > verb, don't bother conjugating it. I conjugate a verb only when I > need to. Conjugating is a means to an end, not the end result itself. I learn to conjugate verbs because I plan to use them (I try to write in my diary, and i will try to speak with my French immersion teacher); when I familiarise myself with them, I can learn to use them. There's also the method with Japanese that they use in french, which is basically immersion and learning vocabulary through example. Of course, I must know the grammar first, but it works best for me. To me, I learn SO much quicker by grammar first and then learn through speaking with example, when immersion isn't possible. But then again, we all learn differently. > This is why I think the pimsleur audio programs are so great. The > rules of grammar are omitted completely, and you learn only through > context and association, which is how the brain naturally works. > Some people hate this kind of learning because they can't stand > knowing something without understanding the "rules and regulations" of > the language, so they get frustrated by this fact. This type of > mental conditioning actually prevents them from learning quicker and > more efficiently. Unfortunately the price of the pimsleur programs > are more like highway robbery. I tried the pimsleur method with portuguese... I had a hard time, because I have this unusual thing, but in order for me to learn to speak a language, I have to know how to (a)write it and see how it's spelt, especially when the language has many pronunciation exceptions. Then, I would pronounce it (b), and then use the word in a sentence (c). (BTW, Portuguese is a beautiful language.) I find them boring, actually, lol. It's soo... repetitive, and it turns me off from my learning experience. Experimentation is the key for me... of course, again, this is my approach to learning that I find the most affective for me. Besides, Japanese and spanish are phonetic languages, so they won't pose a problem for me with pronunciation or comprehension by hearing, except for those homonyms that can only be distinguished by context and tone... *sigh* the irregularities of language... (PS: I think 20 verbs to start off with; that should be enough for me to learn for at least a month... i really wish that my dictionary could differentiate though!!) ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/9rHolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Japanese_Language/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
