--- In [email protected], "kamuininja" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "ai3131" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for the translation. 
> 
> You're welcome.
>  
> > Erm, if it does not bother you, how many years have you been 
> studying 
> > Japanese?
> 
> I'm Japanese and have been using the language for nearly half a 
> century.

OK... I thought you were a professor at an American university 
having taught Japanese for, well, 20 years.

Well, that fact opens up a new round of questions. I notice that no 
foreigner can pass himself off as Japanese just with mastery of 
Japanese language. Even if the guy LOOKS Japanese, most people like 
you could tell him apart from natives just by observing even the way 
he uses language. As I once said before, learning a language isn't 
just about grammar and vocabulary.

One difference that I have seen is that between social situations 
for English and for Japanese. English is a language that lends 
itself well to direct answers and the like. The language that a 
mother uses with her son and that a company worker uses with his 
company boss is more or less the same in English. However, in 
Japanese the difference is quite clear. 

Tell me, throughout the time that you have been involved in teaching 
Japanese to foreigners, what differences, however subtle, have you 
noticed between native and foreign Japanese speakers in their use of 
Japanese?
  
> > I'd like to know just how is the distinction between the usage 
> > of "polite" and "direct" language is made.
> 
> Could you be a little more specific so that I can answer with 
> certainty?
> 
> Kamui>

I know already that "-masu" verbs are used in polite situations, but 
also certain pronouns and names of people are used as well. For 
example, to refer to one's own mother "haha" is used, but another's 
is referred to as "Okaasan". I notice already that the tendency in 
Japanese is to speak highly of others and humbly of oneself. This 
indicates that knowledge of the social relationship between speaker 
and listener is integral to daily usage of the language. I suppose 
that one uses humble or even honorific language just to avoid 
offending the listener, even if by mistake.

There are even different levels of honorific speech. I know the kind 
of language to be used when speaking to, let's say, a government 
official, but what do Japanese speakers use when speaking to, let's 
say, a member of the Imperial Household Agency or similar 
organization?

For "to do sthg.", there is "nasaru" as well as "suru", and for "to 
be", there is "gozaru" as well as "aru" and "iru". Is there any use 
for these verbs in daily situations?

Finally, although a bit off-topic, in Japanese society a foreigner 
is certainly an "outsider", so I was wondering how this would affect 
his/her choice of language style. Considering again the social 
distinction factor, although young children are normally spoken to 
in direct language, would a foreigner have to use "humble" lanuage 
in speaking to a child? Or would it suffice to use direct language? 
Would the same situation apply to a conversation between a middle-
aged policeman and the young son of a Member of Parliament?

- Arian I.






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