Thanks a lot for the info yes it was the JDK optimizer I was interested in, but I may 
give the profiler a go as I've had much success on other projects (not involving java)
I was thinking of gcc in that gcc is known to produce very non-optimal code unless 
optimisation is performed, I wondered what the Java optimiser was like.

Much of my application is gui driven but I suspect there are areas when my string 
handling is not optimal. I've not used the profiler, is that 'jvmpi'? I couldn't find 
it in the Blackdown distribution, only a zip file in the documentation.

Rob



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