Joi Ellis wrote:
>On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, Calvin Austin wrote:
>
>> In moving forward I would be very interested in areas that
>> you believe Blackdown and Sun should focus on, in particular
>> what do you plan to use the linux port for, whether its as
>> a development machine or rolling out into production. What
>> would help you become more productive. Which bugs, like
>> the international keyboard bug are causing problems for you.
>
>I use Linux as my development platform for a cross-platform GUI.
>The GUI itself is aimed at Linux, Solaris, and Windows platforms
>(in that order.)
>
>I'm also active on Borland's newsgroups. The most common issues
>I see new Linux users asking for help with there is (in no particular
>order):
>
> Incompatible window managers
> Java apps misbehave on FVWM2 and others. Apparently there are
> KDE support hacks hardwired into the JVM? One common problem
> involves window positioning and size errors. (General X11 apps
> don't care which window manager they run under. Why must Java?)
I'll second that.
But, /pace/ Joi, it's not the window managers that are incompatible with
Java, it's Java that's incompatible with Unix window managers.
Apparently ((C) Bel Littlejohn), Sun, in their infinite wisdom, decided that
compatibility with legacy Microsoft operating systems was more important than
compatibility with any number of Unix window managers. (Why does 'birthright'
and 'mess of potage' spring to mind?)
I live in hope that one day someone far enough up the food chain at Sun will
admit that Bug Id 4102292 is a /BUG/ and not a 'request for enhancement'.
To address Calvin's question: we've recently ported our main product to
Linux. It was developed on Solaris (SunOS, in those days) with Motif.
We've had a lot of interest in the Linux version.
I'd love to be able to add features to it using Java: we support Solaris,
AIX and Linux, so cross-platform-ness is important. But when our technical
director asks (of a Java application) 'Why does the window appear in the
wrong place?', it demotivates me somewhat. Until Java works with arbitrary
Unix window managers I won't be pushing to write any applications in Java.
Java is a brilliant language, but it's let down by its implementation.
Ron
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