So the uselessness of this conversation is now predicated on the ability of computers to achieve sentience?
On 26 May 2010 17:10, Rakesh <rakesh.mailgro...@gmail.com> wrote: > if computers gained sentience, they would be worse than the Nazis. > > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Kevin Wright > <kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > I thought the rule was you couldn't claim that until someone's been > compared > > to Hitler and/or the Nazis > > > > On 26 May 2010 17:03, Rakesh <rakesh.mailgro...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Jitesh, > >> > >> "Intelligent Design" is a theory, created by Creationists to denounce > >> Evolution. > >> > >> I nominate this post to be the most pointless and ill-conceived in the > >> history of threads ever. > >> > >> Rakesh > >> > >> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:55 PM, jitesh dundas <jbdun...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > Actually Kevin, this supports the intelligent design t > >> > eory..Evolution is the next step in product of intelligent behavior. > >> > > >> > No wonder computers are becoming smarter with our support. > >> > However, evolution in computers will be the point when we can call > >> > computers equal to us ...long way to go..lbut intelligence & software > >> > development ,well that should be not far away .... > >> > > >> > I request replies in this direction... > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > jd > >> > > >> > On 5/25/10, Kevin Wright <kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> >> So we can't just create these things, we have to evolve them. > >> >> > >> >> You know... this really screws with the "intelligent design" theory > :) > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On 25 May 2010 14:50, shainnif ismail <shain...@googlemail.com> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> well these machines do have 500,000 years of evolution to catch up > on, > >> >>> the > >> >>> analogy i recall was these system are like single cell organisms > that > >> >>> we > >> >>> need to force evolve. > >> >>> > >> >>> Regards > >> >>> Shaine Ismail > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> On 25 May 2010 14:30, Casper Bang <casper.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>> I also studied hypermedia and here 10 years after I have yet to be > >> >>>> convinced that the theory can map to practice (i.e. bidirectional > >> >>>> links, annotations etc.) If anyone can bring this forward in > >> >>>> practice, > >> >>>> it has got to be Google. And yet, look at how crappy live > translation > >> >>>> of captions works for YouTube. That part will be particular > >> >>>> interesting to monitor when GoogleTV launches. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On May 25, 3:17 pm, shainnif ismail <shain...@googlemail.com> > wrote: > >> >>>> > I went to a talk at Edinburgh University many years ago, about > >> >>>> > Neurolinguistics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurolinguistics) > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > specifically on Semantics, and its use in computer science eg > >> >>>> > translating human language to code using intelligent programs, > >> >>>> > mapping > >> >>>> > concepts rather than words. > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > It remember being very impressed and that was about 1999. > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > shaine > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > On 25 May 2010 13:56, Casper Bang <casper.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > It's an interesting subject for sure, dating back to Plato Vs. > >> >>>> > > Aristotle. I used to believe futurists like Ray Kurzweil etc. > but > >> >>>> > > now > >> >>>> > > I am not so sure. While we will no doubt continue to simulate > >> >>>> > > larger > >> >>>> > > and more complex brains, we have yet to properly define > >> >>>> > > intelligence > >> >>>> > > let alone self-awareness (humans primary driver). > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > Nature itself does not seem particular intelligent, it relies > on > >> >>>> > > crude > >> >>>> > > trial-n-error (survival-of-the-fittest) and tracer-bullets > >> >>>> > > (mutations) > >> >>>> > > rather than up-front design. Indeed, modern agile processes > looks > >> >>>> > > an > >> >>>> > > awful lot like a step back to nature. > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > The fact that you can hire 100 teams to solve a problem* and > they > >> >>>> > > will > >> >>>> > > all get to very different solutions, suggests to me that it > makes > >> >>>> > > little sense to equate computer intelligence and human > >> >>>> > > intelligence. > >> >>>> > > When all 100 teams start to arrive at the (very near) same > >> >>>> > > solution, > >> >>>> > > then we may be more ready to define "intelligence". > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > /Casper > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > *Not a pure algorithmic problem a la TSP. > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > -- > >> >>>> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > >> >>>> > > Google > >> >>>> Groups > >> >>>> > > "The Java Posse" group. > >> >>>> > > To post to this group, send email to > javapo...@googlegroups.com. > >> >>>> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> >>>> > > > 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