-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 8/17/10 08:59 , Miroslav Pokorny wrote: > J2me was crappy and simple because the phones were crappy and > simple. It would and was hard for all vendors to build anything > what we could call useful and sophisticated. Nobody really used > even the native business apps on those machines. Everything about > them was limited and it's no surprise j2me was aswell. > There were other reasons too.
1) As it has been said, the JSR process itself didn't work for JME: too bureaucratic and slow, we've been waiting for JME 3.0 for years. 2) The idea of partitioning JME in modules didn't work, as it created a high fragmentation. 3) There was clearly poor testing as there are JME components broken in some models. Google is working because it has more strenght than Sun and sort of imposed its own solutions: 1) Basically it's Google that decides what to put in Android. I suppose they listen to some manufacturer, but in the end they are the ones that decide without any commitee. Right? 2) The platform is not partitioned: there's a conspicuous core that is always available. There's fragmentation because of time (= versions), but that's another story. 3) I don't know whether there's better testing, but the fact that there is a single implementation, eventually tailored, rather than specs that are independently implemented is good. Note that Sun did try to pursue this trail with OpenMoko (remember it?). But having only an obscure phone manufacturer supporting it didn't make it to win... There were no endorsement by the industry. Also, recall that OpenMoko was also about the open design of hardware. Big mistake, because manufacturers clearly aren't interested on that. I've a deeply strong affection with Sun, but in too many cases they played academic, implying their bad fate. Now, what really disappoint me is to read "Larry is only about money...". Google is too, let's try to come down to the real world. As mP said, Google has created the Android business because they want to have a big feed of traffic and ads driven by mobile phones to their services (search engine and etc...). The relationship among Google and the phone manufacturer is clearly more balanced towards Google, who's got the complete control, than at the times of Sun. So, the winning solution came out not from a "democratic" (in quotes) JSR context, where power and decisions are distributed among partners, but in a context where the owner of the technology is the master. I'd keep this analogy under our eyes when we think on how to make Java stronger. Yes, the use of patents is disappointing. That's life: until they are there, they're supposed to be used. It's also disappointing that Oracle doesn't explain what they want to do. I don't think there's a strategic need for that - it has been said that the complaint came after months of negotiations, so I believe that Google perfectly knows what Oracle wants from them. If it's true, note that neither Google is transparent towards the community since they're not telling us what's really on the table. For what concerns the debate about the network neutrality, Google is going to move forward (and I'm not saying it's bad, it's another complex discussion) just with agreements with the carrier, without asking the community and the users for what they think of it. As a final note, I think that we ourselves can do harm to our interests if we keep on screaming "Java is doomed" five minutes after something happens. We can and we _must_ complain against everything, and loudly, if we feel bad - but, for the sake of rationality, after getting a decent comprehension of what's happening. A fact that hasn't occurred yet. - -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. Everywhere." java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxqPncACgkQeDweFqgUGxfGFgCeP6skQxvkVV7fIq4Em9WiadeX +lcAoIu/O9UPViv0avwfPLy+Oo07LPxM =xYsR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
