The big thing I keep seeing in all this "concern about Oracle" is that people continually forget or ignore WHY Sun and Java is now owned by Oracle: Sun focused on the wrong things (including being OVERLY concerned with the community) which led to them losing money year after year after year basically from 2001 til the end.
And like it or not, companies exist to make money (which benefits us by allowing us to get paid to work for them). So yes, Oracle is going to change some stuff.... and in fact they MUST change the things that made Sun non-profitable. And unfortunately the things that make companies profitable are not always "community" friendly. We as engineers love "open source" b/c it means our projects are more profitable and we look like heroes which leads to big raises + bonuses. But there wasn't much profit in that model for Sun and Oracle is smart enough to know there won't be for them either. As far as the JDK lawsuit, like most things in life, I suspect the truth will end being somewhere in the middle (part money grab by Oracle, part legitimate beef against bastardization of technology they paid a fortune to acquire). But I seem to recall Sun suing a company several years back on similar grounds... and in that case there was no community angst b/c the target of the suit was everyone's favorite "evil software tycoon" Micro$oft. On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Fabrizio Giudici < fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it> wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 8/17/10 23:14 , Kirk wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I've been talking to people in Oracle that are very concerned about > > all the wild speculation that has been running through the > > community. And while I can't give details, I can say they feel that > > the conclusions don't match what they are doing however they are > > also still not in a position that they can speak publicly. That > > said, there is some meaningful information coming out. While they > > can't comment on the Google situation, they have commented on > > OpenJDK that I think can be passed along to a more public forum. > > I've been told that they are considering merging JRockit and the > > Sun JVM in some meaningful way. The merged projects would be > > contributed back to OpenJDK. So I think this signals quite a > > commitment to OpenJDK. I've been told, expect details and loads of > > information at JavaONE. I've also been told that they intend to be > > more active in giving the community information possibly sooner > > than JavaONE. It is quite possible that you'll hear something from > > Oracle right here. > > > > I'd like to say, lets not rush to judgement, lets sit back and give > > Oracle a bit more time to get the pieces together. However I do > > believe that this group along with others that have so harshly > > criticized Oracle is actually helping those inside Oracle that do > > understand the 15 years of traditions and culture in the Java > > community educate those inside Oracle that would rather do things > > they way that Oracle has always done things. This has been a > > dreadfully difficult merger both from a business point of view as > > well as a cultural point of view. No other take over has ever > > combined all of the dynamics present here. I think it's been quite > > a shock for everyone involved and everyone is still trying to > > grapple with the magnitude of the undertaking. It is understandable > > that mistakes have been made and are still waiting to be made. That > > said, my conversations were all positive and I think the new guard > > is winning. > If you can post to your blog these impressions of yours, I think you'd > do a big favor to everybody - just to give some authoritative "stay > cool" message to the community... > > - -- > Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager > Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. Everywhere." > java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people > fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAkxq/vsACgkQeDweFqgUGxdtQQCgmaEmwkAgO954AEX5rfmBUEnZ > 9kkAnjSq3pvhoXFcsaNC4RRPxoEYRE/X > =gOW/ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
