Right, Scala won't be the magic bullet if you have an incompetent team. (Note that I don't imply that Scala will be a magic bullet if you have a competent team)
A language that makes it harder to build up large broken codebases is needed. E.g., in Swing, it's really hard to unpick an evolved large program that does concurrency wrong without breaking bits, whereas .NET throws an exception if you instantiate a component on the wrong thread, making that particular screwup impossible (unless you never test the code and just keep growing it instead). On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Casper Bang <casper.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > The point I am trying to make is that the typical argument "just use > Scala" doesn't hold water, Scala can NOT fill the void left by Java - > something that has been the subject of many a debate on these forums > (too many in fact). > > On Sep 28, 1:51 pm, Kevin Wright <kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com> wrote: >> That's a double-negative... >> >> If you *are* an inferior developer and unwilling to learn, then Scala is not >> for you. I think this was the entire point... There are a lot of 9-5 "code >> monkeys" out there who are genuinely unwilling to learn, Scala will not >> appeal to these people. >> >> But if you are willing to learn, then you won't automatically like Scala; >> you may prefer Clojure, or Haskell, Coq or Agda, or some extreme Java >> hackery - like writing lombok or lambdaj. However, you *will* find that >> 100% of current Scala developers are in the "willing to learn" group, and >> those coming from a lot of Java experience are in the "trying to push the >> state of the art" group as well. >> >> On 28 September 2010 12:29, Casper Bang <casper.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > So by inference, people who are not convinced by Scala, are inferior >> > developers unwilling to learn? >> >> > On Sep 28, 11:55 am, B Smith-Mannschott <bsmith.o...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:51, Vince O'Sullivan <vjosulli...@gmail.com >> > >wrote: >> >> > > > On Sep 28, 9:23 am, Kevin Wright <kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > > An important trait of being a good programmer is the willingness to >> > learn >> > > > > and push the boundaries of what can be done well. That's also why >> > Scala >> > > > is >> > > > > quite suitable for new programmers, including children and students. >> >> > > > There's no logical connection between those two sentences. >> >> > > The logical connection is "willingness to learn". Presumably students are >> > > willing to learn. "Good" programmers are also willing to learn. (Or would >> > > you argue that they are not? Or perhaps that all programmers have the >> > same >> > > level of skill and interest?) >> >> > > // ben >> >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> > "The Java Posse" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups >> > .com> >> > . >> > For more options, visit this group at >> >http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> >> -- >> Kevin Wright >> >> mail / gtalk / msn : kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com >> pulse / skype: kev.lee.wright >> twitter: @thecoda > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
