What I mean is that I think you could filter out some great companies and include some terrible ones if you look for the word Agile.
I'm not criticising you. -----Original Message----- From: Rakesh <rakesh.mailgro...@gmail.com> Sender: javaposse@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 23:08:35 To: <javaposse@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: javaposse@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] is a digital marketing company the place for keen developers? not sure if you are being critical about something I said. Can you elaborate? Rakesh On 2 December 2011 21:58, Ricky Clarkson <ricky.clark...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'd rather work for a company that was, erm, agile enough to use what seemed > right for the project rather than sticking blindly to one technique. > -----Original Message----- > From: Rakesh <rakesh.mailgro...@gmail.com> > Sender: javaposse@googlegroups.com > Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 22:18:23 > To: <javaposse@googlegroups.com> > Reply-To: javaposse@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] is a digital marketing company the place for > keen developers? > > "is a digital marketing company the place for keen developers?" > > I think you cannot pre-judge based on industry/type of company. > > I currently work for one of the largest broadcasters in the UK. They > say they are agile but internally, they are not. > > However, I worked in another division of the same company a few years > ago and it was the most cutting-edge, agile environment I have ever > worked in and I learned loads. > > This time last year I had just joined a finance payments company whose > sole reason for being was the software they developed. It was pure > waterfall, code and fix, throw more offshore resource - type place. I > hated it and vowed only too work for agile companies going forward. > > I joined my current company, assuming they 'got' agile and now, even > though I have made some changes for the better, I have decided to move > on and look for a truly agile company. > > Now the issue then became how to know a company is truly agile before > you get there. My plan is to interview THEM. I'm working on a list of > questions to ask to truly get to understand whether they 'get' it or > are just giving it lip service. > > Sorry for the ramble, but this thread came along at a coincidental > moment with deciding to look for another contract, reading James > Shores' diary (recommended) and Martin Fowlers' statement ringing in > my ears: > > "Change your organisation or change your organisation". > > Rakesh > > > > On 1 December 2011 21:57, Marco F. <zentrop...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >> this may sound yet-another venting kind of post, and if it does sound like >> that to you, please stop reading. sorry to waste time. >> >> if you're still here, good… i'll try not to wast too much of your time. >> >> i'm a java developer at a big international digital marketing firm. >> i've been working here for 14 months now. >> >> before this, i was a java developer at another big and international digital >> marketing firm. >> worked there for 2 and half here. >> >> (before that, i worked for accenture for a short while. it was my first job >> ever after university). >> >> i grew a lot (professionally) working for these 2 firms mostly from >> "passing-by" mentor-workmates (was never enrolled a single course or >> workshop or anything). >> but i've always been the youngest (31) and so I was always on the developer >> side rather than the architect one. fine. >> >> both companies seriously look the same when it comes to the >> non-creative-fluffy-marketing work. >> >> i feel like i've been working on the same project! >> it was either: >> - the same old CMS (i dare you name one that's sleek, light and has a great >> UI), >> - soap-ws to allow third party to use our services and do stuff, >> - (recently) a very nice RESTful application (it basically replace the >> previous one). >> >> i tend to be a very active professional, so during these years, i've been >> the one saying "hey let's try nosql!" or even "let's switch to logback" and >> so on. >> >> success rate? zero. >> >> so lately i've been feeling very frustrated. >> looks to me like tech dpt. of companies like these does not want to focus on >> being innovative and one step ahead of the usual system integrators. >> >> i told my boss we should be focusing on doing cutting-edge stuff like >> tweet-monitoring and social stuff integration or HTML5 craziness but what >> did i get? "yeah sure…. now update those two users emails on production db >> and check on that tomcat… we'll talk about that later". >> >> recently, i've been studying a lot on many different areas (tdd, agile, >> responsive web design and so on). >> all of this was done at home or stealing time from stupid (yes, i mean it) >> tasks that could be automated but no one has ever asked my team to do. (we >> seriously manually update users' emails) >> >> so i'm asking, is this a common situation in companies like these? >> feels like when technology is not core-business (which is very arguably the >> case, if you ask me) tech dpt. lack its necessary push to go forward. >> >> what's even worse is that tech guys dry out an die inside and so newcomers >> only "normally interested" in what's going on like me end up like the only >> luke skywalker at a star wars themed party. >> >> i have been contacted by so many consulting firms, but i do like hanging >> around creative guys, producing stuff for the web and seeing the whole >> structure. i'm sure these firms would push the pedal more on what i might be >> doing (four letter: java) but i'm afraid i'll miss the photoshop layers and >> hexadecimal colors. >> >> sorry to have bothered you. >> >> -m >> >> ps: the posse's always an inspiring thing. thank you guys. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Java Posse" group. >> To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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