I agree that you are trying to make the place better, but the place won't let you. Unless you get buy-in from on-high, there is not much you can do. Most people try to introduce new technologies in places that are not critical such as testing, batch processing, etc. They don't have as critical a function and as negative an impact when they fail. Eventually some of that will get into the main system. There are still companies out there running 30 year old software. If it works, why fix it?
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:30 AM, mfirry <mfi...@gmail.com> wrote: > just a note: > > i don't think i ever talked about "technology for technology sake". > all my "let's try..." rants came from getting the job done BETTER (be > it faster processes, automated ones, better performance and so on). > most importantly, the main aim was to "alleviate" developers' > frustrations of doing the same thing all over or (even worse) doing > stuff manually rather than setting up an automated process. > > to make an example, i was never the one "let's rewrite this webapp > with rails"; i was the one "let's have jenkins do deployments". > i think it makes a difference. > > On Dec 1, 11:40 pm, Vineet Sinha <vin...@architexa.com> wrote: > > The story is the same for most non-software companies. For them doing any > > coding is really a function of them trying to optimize some other manual > > process. Development resources really come from 'making X more > efficient' - > > so you really can't argue to use a particular technology unless the > > technology is required once you have already sold the development to > > management. > > > > The story is somewhat different at the companies whose bottom line is > > software development, but even there - technology for technology sake is > > hard. They do experiment with new stuff, but usually only a small > > experimental group will do that before the technology moves into the rest > > of the team working on their larger codebases. > > > > There are companies that are exceptions - but those companies are > typically > > known in their industry as being an exception in terms of being more > > technically savvy. > > > > Generally speaking, most people that have adopted a new technology have > > learnt it in their spare time. Ofcourse, you could/should get your > company > > to send you to NFJS and similar events. > > > > Cheers, > > Vineet > > -- > > Founder, Architexa -www.architexa.com > > Understand & Document Code In Seconds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Marco F. <zentrop...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > this may sound yet-another venting kind of post, and if it does sound > like > > > that to you, please stop reading. sorry to waste time. > > > > > if you're still here, good… i'll try not to wast too much of your time. > > > > > i'm a java developer at a big international digital marketing firm. > > > i've been working here for 14 months now. > > > > > before this, i was a java developer at another big and international > > > digital marketing firm. > > > worked there for 2 and half here. > > > > > (before that, i worked for accenture for a short while. it was my first > > > job ever after university). > > > > > i grew a lot (professionally) working for these 2 firms mostly from > > > "passing-by" mentor-workmates (was never enrolled a single course or > > > workshop or anything). > > > but i've always been the youngest (31) and so I was always on the > > > developer side rather than the architect one. fine. > > > > > both companies seriously look the same when it comes to the > > > non-creative-fluffy-marketing work. > > > > > i feel like i've been working on the same project! > > > it was either: > > > - the same old CMS (i dare you name one that's sleek, light and has a > > > great UI), > > > - soap-ws to allow third party to use our services and do stuff, > > > - (recently) a very nice RESTful application (it basically replace the > > > previous one). > > > > > i tend to be a very active professional, so during these years, i've > been > > > the one saying "hey let's try nosql!" or even "let's switch to > logback" and > > > so on. > > > > > success rate? zero. > > > > > so lately i've been feeling very frustrated. > > > looks to me like tech dpt. of companies like these does not want to > focus > > > on being innovative and one step ahead of the usual system integrators. > > > > > i told my boss we should be focusing on doing cutting-edge stuff like > > > tweet-monitoring and social stuff integration or HTML5 craziness but > what > > > did i get? "yeah sure…. now update those two users emails on > production db > > > and check on that tomcat… we'll talk about that later". > > > > > recently, i've been studying a lot on many different areas (tdd, agile, > > > responsive web design and so on). > > > all of this was done at home or stealing time from stupid (yes, i mean > it) > > > tasks that could be automated but no one has ever asked my team to do. > (we > > > seriously manually update users' emails) > > > > > so i'm asking, is this a common situation in companies like these? > > > feels like when technology is not core-business (which is very arguably > > > the case, if you ask me) tech dpt. lack its necessary push to go > forward. > > > > > what's even worse is that tech guys dry out an die inside and so > newcomers > > > only "normally interested" in what's going on like me end up like the > only > > > luke skywalker at a star wars themed party. > > > > > i have been contacted by so many consulting firms, but i do like > hanging > > > around creative guys, producing stuff for the web and seeing the whole > > > structure. i'm sure these firms would push the pedal more on what i > might > > > be doing (four letter: java) but i'm afraid i'll miss the photoshop > layers > > > and hexadecimal colors. > > > > > sorry to have bothered you. > > > > > -m > > > > > ps: the posse's always an inspiring thing. thank you guys. > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "The Java Posse" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- Robert Casto www.robertcasto.com www.sellerstoolbox.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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