Hi,
I believe that Apple could care less about Windows accessibility, since it's
not their baby, and they see themselves as rivals to Microsoft in the
computer world.
-----Original Message-----
From: Don & Cher
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 6:42 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Drag and drop ...
Kinberly - Then I'm worried about the future of blind users with iDevices
as you received a brush-off from Apple too.
In my case, I'm re-ordering in order to burn the playlist onto CDs in the
exact order they sound best together- so my purposes are quite different.
Have never tried re-arranging on the phone- thought that would be difficult-
interesting idea.
Cher
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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 12:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [JAWS-Users] [Bulk] Re: Drag and drop ...
Kinberly,
Handy suggestion, will keep it.
Order of my playlists does not matter too much as I most always use the
shuffle as I hate always hearing songs in the same order.
Al
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[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 8:54 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] [Bulk] Re: Drag and drop ...
This is not so much a solution as a workaround and is viable only if you
have an apple device. But I usually rearrange songs on my phoe then sync the
playlist back to the computer.
I am not sure what is going on at apple accessibility, but I received the
same nonresponse when I recently reported my inability to confirm payment
information on the apple web site using jaws.
Kimber
Sent from Kimber's iPhone
On Nov 20, 2015, at 10:19 AM, Don & Cher
<oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
I can offer an example. In iTunes, new playlists created
with iTunes
12.2.1 or later versions require drag and drop to
re-arrange the order of the list.
(Old playlists created before 12.2.1 are not affected.).
Since the
JAWS cursor sees nothing but blanks and graphics, I don't
know of any
way to work with these new playlists using drag and drop
as Apple
suggests. Here is my correspondence with Apple (read to
the end). I
copied FS support re this but received one of those
non-replies about trying JAWS in default mode.
RE: Broken playlist accessibility in iTunes; Follow-up:
629039632
Hello, Thank you for your reply. The Playlist items may be
arranged
via drag and drop action. If JAWS has a drag and drop
function, we
recommend trying that as a way to rearrange playlists.
Sincerely,
Apple Accessibility
On September 30, 2015 at 18:15:02 PM GMT,
oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net
wrote:
Perhaps you did not read to the end of my message. One of
your own
accessibility support staff verified that changes in these
versions of
iTunes make it impossible to edit and manipulate playlists
created
with these versions without a mouse. Your technician was
not using JAWS.
Cher Bosch
From: Apple Accessibility [mailto:accessibil...@apple.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 1:05 PM
To: oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: Broken playlist accessibility in iTunes;
Follow-up:
629039632
Hello,
Thank you for your email. At this time Apple includes
support for the
Window-Eyes screen reader in iTunes. Other screen readers
may require
an update.
If you find that another screen reader is not working
correctly,
please check with the application developer to see if they
have an
update for the software.
Sincerely,
Apple Accessibility
On September 28, 2015 at 16:22:29 PM GMT,
oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net
wrote:
These problems refer to keyboard accessibility issues in
playlists and
were created in iTunes 12.2.1 and continue in 12.3:
*Selection:
Within playlists created with these iTunes versions,
selection no
longer seems to follow the cursor keys- so standard
windows keyboard
commands for cut or copy result in a "nothing selected"
error message.
It is impossible to re-arrange the order of songs created
under these
versions of iTunes. The only playlists which are still
functional are
those which were created in prior versions of iTunes.
*Navigation:
Using the arrow keys, after arrowing up or down for 15 or
so lines,
the selection focus is lost. You cannot read the
information or
proceed further in that direction without first arrowing
backward one
line- which then allows you to move forward one more line-
thus
advancing only one line at a time (backwards then
forwards) in a
see-saw fashion. The cursor actually does move but the
focus seems to
be lost and the new song information is not read.
Using the home or end key moves the cursor to the end or
beginning of
the playlist; but JAWS does not read the information on
that line. It
is necessary to arrow away from that song and back before
the
information can be read.
Similarly, the page up and page down keys will not read
the
information for the song on which the cursor lands.
*Nuisance artwork:
With these iTunes versions, artwork appears on each line
of the playlist.
Even copying the songs from an old playlist without
artwork into a new
one created under these versions produces a playlist with
the artwork icons.
* iTunes becoming unresponsive:
Accidental use of the standard windows command
Control-Home results in
iTunes freezing. This command is so commonly used for
various purposes
by keyboard users that this is bothersome.
This is my previous message to you re these issues:
From: Don & Cher [mailto:oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 8:09 AM
To: 'accessibil...@apple.com'
Subject: Keyboard accessibility to playlists broken in
iTunes 12.2.1
Since installing iTunes 12.2.1, new playlists are not
accessible to
persons relying on keyboard accessibility to work with
them. I phoned
Apple Accessibility recently to see if the tech could
replicate my
problem. He verified that with the latest iTunes, you
cannot use
keyboard shortcuts to select, copy or move songs in new
playlists with the keyboard (using a PC).
He verified that it is not a JAWS issue as he did not have
JAWS
installed, and could not perform these functions either. I
can still
use all these keyboard commands within playlists created
prior to
installing the new
iTunes- but even if I duplicate an old playlist and rename
it (so I
can have a editable playlist) the newly duplicated
playlist is
non-editable- apparently because it was duplicated under
the new
iTunes. The only way I can add songs to one of these new
playlists is
by using 'add to playlist' on the context menu- and the
order of songs
is unchangeable by this method- I.E. the order you add the
songs is
unchangeable after the fact. So, basically playlists are
not very useful.
Cher
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On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 4:29 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [JAWS-Users] Drag and drop ...
I do not have an example handy but It is when you say need
to drag an
object from one place to another. We are not talking
about thing like
files and folders but actual objects maybe a graphic
something like that.
Tom Bisset
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On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 4:25 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Drag and drop ...
Tom,
I have never encountered a situation where cut and paste
did not work.
Send me an example sometime if you come across one.
Al
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From: JAWS-Users-List
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf
Of Bissett,
Tom
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 4:05 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Drag and drop ...
As Peter said cut and paste is not an option. There are
situations
where cut and paste don't work and dragging is the only
option.
The problem with the drag and drop I found that it seems
to work with
in the same window but doesn't work when trying to drag
something from
one window to another window.
Of course it may be just me but hopefully some one else
has a better
experience.
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf
Of Alan
Robbins
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 3:49 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Drag and drop ...
Peter,
Over the years, the consensus of this list has been to
simply use cut
& paste, a lot simpler and consistent in results.
Al
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From: JAWS-Users-List
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf
Of
peter.lo...@spartannash.com
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 3:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Drag and drop ...
Has anyone been able to successfully drag and drop a file?
I got this requirement to do that, and can't seem to get
it to work.
Cut and Paste isn't an option in this case. When I try to
drag .. it
either doesn't do anything or comes back and tells me the
object isn't visible.
Thanks for any help.
Peter Logan
Database Administrator
SpartanNash INC.
Office: 616/878-8309
Mobile: 616/304-9672
E-Mail: peter.lo...@spartannash.com
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