It is obvious they don't care about accessibility of iTunes for Windows! Every upgrade creates more problems. I loved my trial with Lesey for iTunes alone it would have been worth the price but PayPal and I have a hate-hate relationship so after the trial I am back to spending way more time doing something I want to do darn it! PayPal and iTunes both pretty much are more trouble than they are worth. Even trying to open a new account to solve my issues did not work, after I read numerous pages of liability stuff I never could find the place to say I read the legalese and to continue. Might work since one shopping site I used did not work right until I actually removed Silverlight but after months of struggling I decided to wait a long time before I try the site again. Unfortunately I occasionally nee iTunes for backups and it is my preference for updating, or it was until recently when the progress I used to hear disappeared. Last update of 9.1 I did over the air because iTunes was being stubborn. The iPad is still on 9.0.2 I think and I have not updated that because I don't use it all that much these days. It is one of the original mini iPads, and on 16 GB. I keep having to remove things for an update to happen and just have not been ready to do it. Sort of like Windows 10, I use 7, hesitate to mess up my computer when I use it daily.
Rose Combs roseco...@q.com A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory! -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 12:38 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Drag and drop ... Hi, I believe that Apple could care less about Windows accessibility, since it's not their baby, and they see themselves as rivals to Microsoft in the computer world. -----Original Message----- From: Don & Cher Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 6:42 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Drag and drop ... Kinberly - Then I'm worried about the future of blind users with iDevices as you received a brush-off from Apple too. In my case, I'm re-ordering in order to burn the playlist onto CDs in the exact order they sound best together- so my purposes are quite different. Have never tried re-arranging on the phone- thought that would be difficult- interesting idea. Cher -----Original Message----- >From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 12:44 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [Bulk] Re: [JAWS-Users] [Bulk] Re: Drag and drop ... Kinberly, Handy suggestion, will keep it. Order of my playlists does not matter too much as I most always use the shuffle as I hate always hearing songs in the same order. Al -----Original Message----- >From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 8:54 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] [Bulk] Re: Drag and drop ... This is not so much a solution as a workaround and is viable only if you have an apple device. But I usually rearrange songs on my phoe then sync the playlist back to the computer. I am not sure what is going on at apple accessibility, but I received the same nonresponse when I recently reported my inability to confirm payment information on the apple web site using jaws. Kimber Sent from Kimber's iPhone > On Nov 20, 2015, at 10:19 AM, Don & Cher <oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > I can offer an example. In iTunes, new playlists created with iTunes > 12.2.1 or later versions require drag and drop to re-arrange the order of the list. > (Old playlists created before 12.2.1 are not affected.). Since the > JAWS cursor sees nothing but blanks and graphics, I don't know of any > way to work with these new playlists using drag and drop as Apple > suggests. Here is my correspondence with Apple (read to the end). I > copied FS support re this but received one of those non-replies about trying JAWS in default mode. > > RE: Broken playlist accessibility in iTunes; Follow-up: 629039632 > Hello, Thank you for your reply. The Playlist items may be arranged > via drag and drop action. If JAWS has a drag and drop function, we > recommend trying that as a way to rearrange playlists. > > Sincerely, > Apple Accessibility > > On September 30, 2015 at 18:15:02 PM GMT, oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net > wrote: > > Perhaps you did not read to the end of my message. One of your own > accessibility support staff verified that changes in these versions of > iTunes make it impossible to edit and manipulate playlists created > with these versions without a mouse. Your technician was not using JAWS. > Cher Bosch > > From: Apple Accessibility [mailto:accessibil...@apple.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 1:05 PM > To: oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net > Subject: Re: Broken playlist accessibility in iTunes; Follow-up: > 629039632 > > Hello, > Thank you for your email. At this time Apple includes support for the > Window-Eyes screen reader in iTunes. Other screen readers may require > an update. > If you find that another screen reader is not working correctly, > please check with the application developer to see if they have an > update for the software. > Sincerely, > Apple Accessibility > > On September 28, 2015 at 16:22:29 PM GMT, oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net > wrote: > > These problems refer to keyboard accessibility issues in playlists and > were created in iTunes 12.2.1 and continue in 12.3: > > *Selection: > Within playlists created with these iTunes versions, selection no > longer seems to follow the cursor keys- so standard windows keyboard > commands for cut or copy result in a "nothing selected" error message. > It is impossible to re-arrange the order of songs created under these > versions of iTunes. The only playlists which are still functional are > those which were created in prior versions of iTunes. > > *Navigation: > Using the arrow keys, after arrowing up or down for 15 or so lines, > the selection focus is lost. You cannot read the information or > proceed further in that direction without first arrowing backward one > line- which then allows you to move forward one more line- thus > advancing only one line at a time (backwards then forwards) in a > see-saw fashion. The cursor actually does move but the focus seems to > be lost and the new song information is not read. > Using the home or end key moves the cursor to the end or beginning of > the playlist; but JAWS does not read the information on that line. It > is necessary to arrow away from that song and back before the > information can be read. > Similarly, the page up and page down keys will not read the > information for the song on which the cursor lands. > > *Nuisance artwork: > With these iTunes versions, artwork appears on each line of the playlist. > Even copying the songs from an old playlist without artwork into a new > one created under these versions produces a playlist with the artwork icons. > > * iTunes becoming unresponsive: > Accidental use of the standard windows command Control-Home results in > iTunes freezing. This command is so commonly used for various purposes > by keyboard users that this is bothersome. > > This is my previous message to you re these issues: > > From: Don & Cher [mailto:oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 8:09 AM > To: 'accessibil...@apple.com' > Subject: Keyboard accessibility to playlists broken in iTunes 12.2.1 > > Since installing iTunes 12.2.1, new playlists are not accessible to > persons relying on keyboard accessibility to work with them. I phoned > Apple Accessibility recently to see if the tech could replicate my > problem. He verified that with the latest iTunes, you cannot use > keyboard shortcuts to select, copy or move songs in new playlists with the keyboard (using a PC). > He verified that it is not a JAWS issue as he did not have JAWS > installed, and could not perform these functions either. I can still > use all these keyboard commands within playlists created prior to > installing the new > iTunes- but even if I duplicate an old playlist and rename it (so I > can have a editable playlist) the newly duplicated playlist is > non-editable- apparently because it was duplicated under the new > iTunes. The only way I can add songs to one of these new playlists is > by using 'add to playlist' on the context menu- and the order of songs > is unchangeable by this method- I.E. the order you add the songs is > unchangeable after the fact. So, basically playlists are not very useful. > Cher > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] > On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom > Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 4:29 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: [Bulk] Re: [JAWS-Users] Drag and drop ... > > I do not have an example handy but It is when you say need to drag an > object from one place to another. We are not talking about thing like > files and folders but actual objects maybe a graphic something like that. > Tom Bisset > -----Original Message----- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] > On Behalf Of Alan Robbins > Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 4:25 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Drag and drop ... > > Tom, > > I have never encountered a situation where cut and paste did not work. > Send me an example sometime if you come across one. > > Al > > -----Original Message----- > From: JAWS-Users-List > [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Bissett, > Tom > Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 4:05 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Drag and drop ... > > As Peter said cut and paste is not an option. There are situations > where cut and paste don't work and dragging is the only option. > The problem with the drag and drop I found that it seems to work with > in the same window but doesn't work when trying to drag something from > one window to another window. > Of course it may be just me but hopefully some one else has a better > experience. > Tom Bisset > -----Original Message----- > From: JAWS-Users-List > [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Alan > Robbins > Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 3:49 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Drag and drop ... > > Peter, > > Over the years, the consensus of this list has been to simply use cut > & paste, a lot simpler and consistent in results. > > Al > > -----Original Message----- > From: JAWS-Users-List > [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of > peter.lo...@spartannash.com > Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 3:13 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: [JAWS-Users] Drag and drop ... > > Has anyone been able to successfully drag and drop a file? > I got this requirement to do that, and can't seem to get it to work. > Cut and Paste isn't an option in this case. When I try to drag .. it > either doesn't do anything or comes back and tells me the object isn't visible. > Thanks for any help. > > Peter Logan > Database Administrator > SpartanNash INC. > Office: 616/878-8309 > Mobile: 616/304-9672 > E-Mail: peter.lo...@spartannash.com > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list > visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list > visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list > visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
