hear hear,
the real beauty of EJB is in the automated persistence for small sites that
dont want a DBA
case closed
marc
|-----Original Message-----
|From: James Brannan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
|Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 7:50 AM
|To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Subject: RE: [jBoss-User] J2EE Too Much for Small App? Rocky Honeymoon!
|
|
|Uhh-ohh, I hear the rumble of a deluge of emails on this topic
|hitting the list - but I cant help posting my 2 cents.
|
|EJB is for small sites also. IMHO it does add an improvement over
|simply using PHP. I'm pretty sure you cant isolate business logic
|in such a way as to be available to other languages/applications
|using PHP. With EJB you can. I think components take OO to the
|next level - that alone is enough to justfy using it IMHO.
|
|Websphere et. all. are kind of expensive monsters for a web
|application, but, JBoss and Jonas, type projects are changing all that!
|
|I'm biased, I've been hooked on COM for a long time prior to Java
|- EJB just seems a natural design decision - unless your doing a
|high-volume site - then do minimum code/calls neccessary to get
|the job done.
|
|Besides, PHP/ASP consultants make about $30-50 bucks per hour
|while EJB consultants make $50-120 ;-)
|
|
|After a few initial hurdles, I have found JBoss as easy to work
|with as Visual Basic COM - other then VB's debugger -but I'm
|learning Junit & Java debugging.
|
|The same cant be said for my experiences with Websphere 3.02 - yuch!
|
|
|Just my 2 cents.
|
|JamesB
|
|
|
|
|>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/06/00 08:36AM >>>
|Gosh! Lay off the guy. You have no idea why he's decided to re-write his
|site, so why is everyone coming down on him like he's some kind of
|a moron ?
|
|-----Original Message-----
|From: fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
|Sent: 06 December 2000 22:20
|To: jBoss
|Subject: Re: [jBoss-User] J2EE Too Much for Small App? Rocky Honeymoon!
|
|
|Hi Hunter,
|
|I think you need to read this article, by Brett Mclaughlin, "Enterprise
|Applications in Java and J2EE: A Rocky Honeymoon."
|
|visit: http://java.oreilly.com/news/j2ee_0700.html
|
|An excerpt:
|
| All too often, people
| go overboard with their applications. In geek talk, this is
| called "buzzmania." Buzzmania is the tendency to buy
| more, get more, and use more, simply because more
| "buzzwords" are in a product. This is a large part of the
| J2EE problem. With the J2EE product descriptions and
| specifications reading like a meeting of exotic 12-step
| programs--JSP, XML, JMS, EJB, CMP, BMP, OR, JDBC--it's
| no wonder managers' eyes light up at sales presentations.
|
| However, the reality is few companies, and few
| industries, need all these services. I'd estimate 50% to
| 70% of the companies that have purchased or are
| purchasing J2EE solutions could easily get by with a
| simple servlet and a JDBC-based solution. Presentation
| logic housed in the servlet coupled with database access
| through JDBC would suffice for most types of
| applications, including many e-commerce solutions.
| Adding JSP, or another presentation technology, such as
| Enhydra XMLC, makes this an even more robust option.
|
|
|Regards
|Fred
|
|
|
|Hunter Hillegas wrote:
|
|> I am new to J2EE.
|>
|> I have been using Servlets and JSP for some time but have never touched
|EJB.
|> I recently took a class from Sun on J2EE and I want to get started with
|some
|> of it.
|>
|> I have a Web site that's currently powered by PHP and mySQL called
|> RateVegas.com.
|>
|> I've been planning a total site makeover for several months with many new
|> features. I've decided to move to PostgreSQL and Java.
|>
|> The question is whether to use JSP/Servlets/Taglibs or to include EJB in
|> that equation.
|>
|> What I'm really asking is if J2EE is "too much" for a relatively simple
|> application?
|>
|> RateVegas.com basically lets users rate hotels and restaurants in Las
|Vegas.
|> There is a fair amount of DB activity but they are simple queries.
|>
|> The new version of the site will be totally personalizable and will be
|> somewhat more complex.
|>
|> Do you think using J2EE is overkill?
|>
|> Hunter
|>
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