|most little applications EJB-CMP IS EL DORADA YOU MORONS!!!!!!
that will teach me ...
I meant El Dorado of course :)
marc
|
|IBM always pitched that, and it was the only point that they really taught
|something to SUN....
|
|robert thanks for stepping in.
|
|marc
|
|
|
||sorry, I know it's off-topic but I cannot keep quiet because novices might
||listen to this and I don't think you're doing them a good service. these
||(very often stated) "feature XYZ is bad" kind of statements don't help
||anyone and don't show a very differentiated treatment of a complicated
||topic. Even simple EJB1.1 is very usable if one knows it's limitations and
||decides wisely how and where to use it. I'm stating this as it has
||saved my
||development team enormous time. My advice would be, look at all the
||features, read archives of EJB-INTEREST about design tradeoffs (there's a
||wealth of archived experience and knowledge to find there) and most
||importantly, play around with it and get hands on experience with it and
||decide if a particular feature meets your particular requirements for your
||particular problem and don't rule out anything because someone on a tech
||mailing list makes a statement like "you have to /must not use XYZ in a
||particular way".
||
||my 2 c,
||
||robert
||
||>-----Original Message-----
||>From: Hunter Hillegas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
||>Sent: 06 December 2000 20:11
||>To: jBoss
||>Subject: Re: [jBoss-User] J2EE Too Much for Small App? Rocky Honeymoon!
||>
||>
||>Thanks for the defense Edward!
||>
||>Thanks to the list for all the responses.
||>
||>Maybe I should clarify a few points.
||>
||>1. My company does it's own hosting so that's not a problem. I can use
||>whatever I want (they might balk at a WebLogic license however ;-)).
||>
||>2. I am re-writing the site no matter what. I need to add many
||new features
||>and PHP doesn't cut it for OO design or logic/presentation abstraction. I
||>also need to be able to change databases easier since I may need
||to move to
||>Oracle in the future. The site will basically be TOTALLY new when it's
||>completed.
||>
||>3. The site does make money and is growing very quickly but it's
||a hobby. If
||>the whole thing crashed down in flames the only one seriously
||impacted would
||>be me.
||>
||>The whole reason I wrote the list was to get a feel for whether or not I
||>should go with EJB in ADDITION to the JSP/Servlet approach I am planning.
||>
||>I am NOT some buzzword crazy manager that doesn't know better. I will be
||>doing the coding. I want to create a base that I can expand on in
||the future
||>to offer some cool Web services to the public.
||>
||>At this point I haven't decided what route to take. I know I
||don't NEED EJB
||>at this point but it might be helpful in the future when I need to deploy
||>the backend across several machines portably, etc...
||>
||>Again, thanks for your input. I appreciate it.
||>
||>--
||>Hunter Hillegas
||>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
||>
||> > From: "Kenworthy, Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
||> > Reply-To: "jBoss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
||> > Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:36:51 -0000
||> > To: "'jBoss'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
||> > Subject: RE: [jBoss-User] J2EE Too Much for Small App? Rocky
|Honeymoon!
||> >
||> > Gosh! Lay off the guy. You have no idea why he's decided to
||re-write his
||> > site, so why is everyone coming down on him like he's some
||kind of a moron
||>?
||> >
||> > -----Original Message-----
||> > From: fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
||> > Sent: 06 December 2000 22:20
||> > To: jBoss
||> > Subject: Re: [jBoss-User] J2EE Too Much for Small App? Rocky
|Honeymoon!
||> >
||> >
||> > Hi Hunter,
||> >
||> > I think you need to read this article, by Brett Mclaughlin,
||"Enterprise
||> > Applications in Java and J2EE: A Rocky Honeymoon."
||> >
||> > visit: http://java.oreilly.com/news/j2ee_0700.html
||> >
||> > An excerpt:
||> >
||> > All too often, people
||> > go overboard with their applications. In geek
|talk, this is
||> > called "buzzmania." Buzzmania is the tendency to buy
||> > more, get more, and use more, simply because more
||> > "buzzwords" are in a product. This is a large part of the
||> > J2EE problem. With the J2EE product descriptions and
||> > specifications reading like a meeting of exotic 12-step
||> > programs--JSP, XML, JMS, EJB, CMP, BMP, OR, JDBC--it's
||> > no wonder managers' eyes light up at sales presentations.
||> >
||> > However, the reality is few companies, and few
||> > industries, need all these services. I'd estimate 50% to
||> > 70% of the companies that have purchased or are
||> > purchasing J2EE solutions could easily get by with a
||> > simple servlet and a JDBC-based solution. Presentation
||> > logic housed in the servlet coupled with database access
||> > through JDBC would suffice for most types of
||> > applications, including many e-commerce solutions.
||> > Adding JSP, or another presentation technology, such as
||> > Enhydra XMLC, makes this an even more robust option.
||> >
||> >
||> > Regards
||> > Fred
||> >
||> >
||> >
||> > Hunter Hillegas wrote:
||> >
||> >> I am new to J2EE.
||> >>
||> >> I have been using Servlets and JSP for some time but have
||never touched
||> > EJB.
||> >> I recently took a class from Sun on J2EE and I want to get
||started with
||> > some
||> >> of it.
||> >>
||> >> I have a Web site that's currently powered by PHP and mySQL called
||> >> RateVegas.com.
||> >>
||> >> I've been planning a total site makeover for several months
||with many new
||> >> features. I've decided to move to PostgreSQL and Java.
||> >>
||> >> The question is whether to use JSP/Servlets/Taglibs or to
||include EJB in
||> >> that equation.
||> >>
||> >> What I'm really asking is if J2EE is "too much" for a
||relatively simple
||> >> application?
||> >>
||> >> RateVegas.com basically lets users rate hotels and restaurants in Las
||> > Vegas.
||> >> There is a fair amount of DB activity but they are simple queries.
||> >>
||> >> The new version of the site will be totally personalizable
|and will be
||> >> somewhat more complex.
||> >>
||> >> Do you think using J2EE is overkill?
||> >>
||> >> Hunter
||> >>
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