|As a small shop, I may not "want" a DBA, but I still "need" one for many
|things that go beyond application persistence (backups, tuning,
|configurations, etc.) In my experience, DBA's do mostly administrative
right I was talking about the DBA that does schema design as well, this one
is a guru today (he can optimize compiler code ;-) but real CMP is a low end
replacement
marc
|work, not application design and programming. EJB may actually make their
|jobs more difficult if the 'hidden' persistence SQL of the container is not
|efficient or tuned for a particular's site's configuration.
|
|Whether I buy an application with embedded SQL or EJB managed persistence
|doesn't alter my DBA's duties. It may help with my programmers though....
|
|-Ron
|
|> From: "marc fleury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|> Reply-To: "jBoss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:04:40 -0800
|> To: "James Brannan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Edward
|> Kenworthy"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
|"jBoss"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
|> -dogs.com>
|> Subject: RE: [jBoss-User] J2EE Too Much for Small App? Rocky Honeymoon!
|>
|> hear hear,
|>
|> the real beauty of EJB is in the automated persistence for small
|sites that
|> dont want a DBA
|>
|> case closed
|>
|> marc
|>
|>
|> |-----Original Message-----
|> |From: James Brannan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
|> |Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 7:50 AM
|> |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|> |Subject: RE: [jBoss-User] J2EE Too Much for Small App? Rocky Honeymoon!
|> |
|> |
|> |Uhh-ohh, I hear the rumble of a deluge of emails on this topic
|> |hitting the list - but I cant help posting my 2 cents.
|> |
|> |EJB is for small sites also. IMHO it does add an improvement over
|> |simply using PHP. I'm pretty sure you cant isolate business logic
|> |in such a way as to be available to other languages/applications
|> |using PHP. With EJB you can. I think components take OO to the
|> |next level - that alone is enough to justfy using it IMHO.
|> |
|> |Websphere et. all. are kind of expensive monsters for a web
|> |application, but, JBoss and Jonas, type projects are changing all that!
|> |
|> |I'm biased, I've been hooked on COM for a long time prior to Java
|> |- EJB just seems a natural design decision - unless your doing a
|> |high-volume site - then do minimum code/calls neccessary to get
|> |the job done.
|> |
|> |Besides, PHP/ASP consultants make about $30-50 bucks per hour
|> |while EJB consultants make $50-120 ;-)
|> |
|> |
|> |After a few initial hurdles, I have found JBoss as easy to work
|> |with as Visual Basic COM - other then VB's debugger -but I'm
|> |learning Junit & Java debugging.
|> |
|> |The same cant be said for my experiences with Websphere 3.02 - yuch!
|> |
|> |
|> |Just my 2 cents.
|> |
|> |JamesB
|> |
|> |
|> |
|> |
|> |>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/06/00 08:36AM >>>
|> |Gosh! Lay off the guy. You have no idea why he's decided to re-write his
|> |site, so why is everyone coming down on him like he's some kind of
|> |a moron ?
|> |
|> |-----Original Message-----
|> |From: fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
|> |Sent: 06 December 2000 22:20
|> |To: jBoss
|> |Subject: Re: [jBoss-User] J2EE Too Much for Small App? Rocky Honeymoon!
|> |
|> |
|> |Hi Hunter,
|> |
|> |I think you need to read this article, by Brett Mclaughlin, "Enterprise
|> |Applications in Java and J2EE: A Rocky Honeymoon."
|> |
|> |visit: http://java.oreilly.com/news/j2ee_0700.html
|> |
|> |An excerpt:
|> |
|> | All too often, people
|> | go overboard with their applications. In geek
|talk, this is
|> | called "buzzmania." Buzzmania is the tendency to buy
|> | more, get more, and use more, simply because more
|> | "buzzwords" are in a product. This is a large part of the
|> | J2EE problem. With the J2EE product descriptions and
|> | specifications reading like a meeting of exotic 12-step
|> | programs--JSP, XML, JMS, EJB, CMP, BMP, OR, JDBC--it's
|> | no wonder managers' eyes light up at sales presentations.
|> |
|> | However, the reality is few companies, and few
|> | industries, need all these services. I'd estimate 50% to
|> | 70% of the companies that have purchased or are
|> | purchasing J2EE solutions could easily get by with a
|> | simple servlet and a JDBC-based solution. Presentation
|> | logic housed in the servlet coupled with database access
|> | through JDBC would suffice for most types of
|> | applications, including many e-commerce solutions.
|> | Adding JSP, or another presentation technology, such as
|> | Enhydra XMLC, makes this an even more robust option.
|> |
|> |
|> |Regards
|> |Fred
|> |
|> |
|> |
|> |Hunter Hillegas wrote:
|> |
|> |> I am new to J2EE.
|> |>
|> |> I have been using Servlets and JSP for some time but have
|never touched
|> |EJB.
|> |> I recently took a class from Sun on J2EE and I want to get
|started with
|> |some
|> |> of it.
|> |>
|> |> I have a Web site that's currently powered by PHP and mySQL called
|> |> RateVegas.com.
|> |>
|> |> I've been planning a total site makeover for several months
|with many new
|> |> features. I've decided to move to PostgreSQL and Java.
|> |>
|> |> The question is whether to use JSP/Servlets/Taglibs or to
|include EJB in
|> |> that equation.
|> |>
|> |> What I'm really asking is if J2EE is "too much" for a
|relatively simple
|> |> application?
|> |>
|> |> RateVegas.com basically lets users rate hotels and restaurants in Las
|> |Vegas.
|> |> There is a fair amount of DB activity but they are simple queries.
|> |>
|> |> The new version of the site will be totally personalizable and will be
|> |> somewhat more complex.
|> |>
|> |> Do you think using J2EE is overkill?
|> |>
|> |> Hunter
|> |>
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