Kevin, That is my point exactly - showcase Jboss, build as much using the standard j2ee approach, integrate interesting libs as needed, and make something professional. This may mean trying to find someone who is a graphic artist to put together a nice look for the examples. Anyone can write an ugly demo.. This demo and the associated components should be something you would go to a tech conference with, if the purpose is to woo potential converts.. Just ask yourself, "What would BEA do?"
Now, maybe I'm going overboard and this is something the Jboss services team has done or should do. But one thing I have learned - if you are targeting business (and even some tech) folks to convince them to go Jboss, sharp Uis win out most of the time.. Jboss has it where it counts - architecture, now let's take it to the next level - win the business folks as well. So, two tracks: demo the tech capabilities of Jboss with demos, and make it sharp for the business folks that need convincing. Thoughts? > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Conner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 3:51 AM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: [JBoss-user] JBOSS - Components library > > > Sorry to start this again, I've been away. > > > 1. to showcase Jboss (yes, they could run on other servers, > > but focus on JB as the 1st server) > > 2. provide a set of components that could be used as-is or > > customized for your application > > 3. provide some example Uis either using a rich or thin > > client that utilize these server-side component > > 4. provide a good jumpstart for new applications with a > > starter build system (combine ant, xdoclet, junit, etc. etc.) > > , several prewritten applications that use the apis as > > examples or skeletons, etc. > > If the purpose of this is to showcase JBoss then this would > get my vote. If it is to create a new library then it > wouldn't (for reasons mentioned earlier). > > > When I contemplated embarking on a simliar OSS project that > > would work on the top 5 app servers, I got some interesting > > comments from Rickard Öberg, which I neglected to pursue with > > further discussion at the time (shame on me): > > > > "Let's say I wanted to impose access checks on modifying a > > user, or if I > > wanted to add custom fields to an account, how would I do > > that with your > > solution? Do you have any way to handle extensibility and > > integration? > > How about getting user info from various backends, such as > > RDBMS or LDAP > > or XML or..? > > > > IMHO there are vital points missing in todays toolkit in > > order to allow > > wide reuse of components such as those you outline. These > > holes will be > > filled, but IMHO they're not right now." > > I think it would be a very good idea to show off the > capabilities of JBoss, after all the easiest way to convince > someone to use it is via demonstration. We should, however, > use some of the projects which are already out there as a > basis. If they do not have what we require then we should > persuade them to change/add functionality from the inside (as > members) or outside (as users). > > We would then be in a position to say 'yes you can do this > with another server but look what else you can do with JBoss!' > > > So, I would think the idea would be to ensure its OSS so we > > can make changes to the code, encourage it for new projects > > where you may be able to have some flexibility in your > > implementation if something is currently missing from a > > component's API, and not get too fancy with things like > > XML->code generators and other things since there are > > projects out there that provide these solutions already (see > > previous messages in this thread). KISS. > > > > James > > A second for KISS. Please do not reinvent the wheel! > > Kev > > Kevin Conner > Orchard Information Systems Limited > Newcastle Technopole, Kings Manor > Newcastle Upon Tyne, NE1 6PA. United Kingdom > Registered in England, Number 1900078 > Tel: +44 (0) 191-2032536 Fax: +44 (0) 191 2302515 > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by: DEDICATED SERVERS only > $89! Linux or FreeBSD, FREE setup, FAST network. Get your own server > today at http://www.ServePath.com/indexfm.htm > _______________________________________________ > JBoss-user mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/j> boss-user > ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: DEDICATED SERVERS only $89! Linux or FreeBSD, FREE setup, FAST network. Get your own server today at http://www.ServePath.com/indexfm.htm _______________________________________________ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
