On 3/9/09 4:15 PM, Dirk Meyer wrote: > Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> On 3/9/09 2:43 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >>> I think it would be valuable to hold a groupchat once a month as a venue >>> for community discussion. I'm calling this the "Monthly XMPP Meeting" or >>> MXM (you can pronounce it like "mix 'em"). I propose that we hold the >>> first discussion this Thursday, March 12, at 20:00 UTC in the chatroom >>> at [email protected]. If there are topics you'd like me to put >>> on the agenda, please let me know. Otherwise I'll just make it up. :) >> OK, I came up with a theme for this meeting: "Why I Hate XMPP". :) >> >> https://stpeter.im/?p=2528 > > Good starting point. I like the first one and have more details to it: > > If I want to create a client/server, what do I need to implement? Yes, > there are XEP-0242 and XEP-0243, but I'm scared of before I scrolled > down to that point > > What do I need to implement VoIP would be answer question. > > But back to the question about what I hate: > > 1. Specs are not always written for developers. It looks code on paper > but it does not fit into the state machine of lib/client foo > > 2. Many experimental XEPs are not implemented because nobody wants to be > the first. Or "I can not implement it in a client without server > support" and "It makes no sense to implement it into a server without > a client using it" > > 3. Some XEPs have a scary small scrollbar in my browser. I don't want to > read everything (good example is PubSub)
One solution here is to build out a developer-oriented documentation site. As we discussed in Brussels, Python developers don't read the PEPs, they read the docs. We have only XEPs because it's a lot of work to write developer-friendly docs, but we have a start here: http://xmpp.org/tech/ Let's build that out further at that site or on wiki.xmpp.org. Well, at least that's one idea, I don't want to stifle discussion of other possible solutions. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/
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