On Tuesday 10 March 2009 16:24:50 Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > None of this would be exclusive. We'd still strongly encourage people to > run their own XMPP services and join the network. But we'd also work > hard to have worldwide coverage under the jabber.org banner.
This proposal reminds me of our discussion in Portland last year with Christopher Zorn, about the future of Psi. I was all tied up in a knot because I felt that to truly target average users, Psi would have to be bound with a service, but that doing so would taint Psi's image and go against the point of Jabber. You see, I have this idea that there's generic Jabber services and clients and then there's integrated services like Google Talk and SAPO, but only the generic offerings count as being part of the Jabber ideal. Christopher basically said this view is too limiting. Is Chesspark not part of the Jabber ideal then? His point was that in the end it's all about offering great software and services, and holding on to this "generic client" idea is self-defeating. Normal people don't want generic building blocks. One compromise we discussed was to have Psi affiliate with jabber.org (rather than some Psi-specific service) to attempt to retain client/service separation while still making it easier for end-users to get set up. I think Christopher also felt this was silly (again, why *not* capitalize on this opportunity to offer your own service?), but what can I say I'm a Jabber philosophy idiot. In any case, we reasoned that users would find the dual-branding confusing. First they visit the Psi website, then suddenly they are signing up for a jabber.org account... WTF? Seems shady. Speaking of "first they visit the Psi website", Christopher argued that users will start at the client, mainly because it is the face of the service. They will see the software running on a friend's computer, or they'll see a screenshot or such, and think "Hey, that's pretty cool, I want that." The approach of going to jabber.org and having to pick a client is backwards. If your vision is to take on Skype directly, it sounds like what is needed is a strong front-running client that has matching branding of the service itself. To most users, the client and service would be synonymous with each other, as is the case with Skype, MSN, etc. The big question of all is whether it is the job of jabber.org to compete with Skype. Aren't there others in this space already trying to do that? If jabber.org is truly competitive, and no longer a self-defeating reference service, is it still fair to use the "Jabber" name? Peter, you may remember, one of the options we discussed was to actually get rid of jabber.org entirely. ;-) -Justin _______________________________________________ JDev mailing list Forum: http://www.jabberforum.org/forumdisplay.php?f=20 Info: http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/jdev Unsubscribe: [email protected] _______________________________________________
