Don't confuse nastiness with real concern. As the fellow running for governor here in 
Pennsylvania
said in response to himn losing his temper - "One who is passionate about something 
will lose <his
temper> on occasion". 

Also the smart questions FAQ says it well - 
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#keepcool
and
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#not_losing
Pay attention to the last few paragraphs of the second link.
 
As to those who left, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."


--- H Shankaranarayanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for that reply. Rightly said! Makes sense not helping someone doing a
> coursework execise. Even now there are questions posted which could be simply
> solved by a google search wot should we do about that?
> 
> There sure have been lots of interesting threads but lots of arguments too on
> the list which got nasty to the core some time back in the recent past. If this
> nastiness could be avoided it would just be a great place for information. No
> doubt we have a lot of "Gurus" out there to expect great answers from.
> 
> This nastiness if i remember right also made people leave the list sometime
> back.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Williamson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 3:53 AM
> To: JDJList
> Subject: [jdjlist] RE: what is it like to be a programmer "in the real
> world" ?
> 
> 
> ||| There it starts again. If people can answer straight on
> ||| this list it would be really great. Why such convoluted answers?
> |||
> ||| And am sure Alan this is of no interest to anyone asking
> ||| questions be it on any
> ||| topic. Its just going to make them think twice before
> ||| asking a question down the line.
> 
> I don't understand the problem here.  The experienced list-members (of this
> list and others) can always spot when someone wants their coursework done
> for them.   This is why there has been resistant to answer the question
> directly.
> 
> Being the first email address in the magazine, does any one appreciate the
> volume of emails i get from students asking for help with their coursework?
> Around Christmas and Easter time, the volume goes up i guess with the end of
> their semester.  So what am i suppose to do?
> 
> The geniue ones i help of course i do; but the vast majority is sent out of
> sheer laziness which to be honest, i really do hope they fail, as the
> computer industry doesn't need anymore cowboys that blag their way through
> than we are already have.
> 
> As for what its like to be developer in the real world ... great question.
> And one that i really look forward to the answers from some.   I will wade
> in later when i have had some time to think about it.
> 
> But let me say this, and i am sure i speak for the likes of Jason and Joe;
> this is not free consultancy.  YES we will help, but we will not do it for
> you.
> 
> So if it does make people think twice before asking, then i say thats a
> great thing.  It cuts down on the noise of the list, and means that anything
> coming through, has already met the first two criteria of Jason's tip-list;
> (1) Read the API, (2) Google Search.   They you may find that people
> answering your question will go up.
> 
> We love to help people that want to learn and help.  We don't want to help
> blaggers and people that will ride on our success.
> 
> There has been some great threads of the past couple of weeks, and i want to
> thank you all for contributing.
> 
> alan
> 
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