----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 12:24
PM
Subject: [jdjlist] RE: what is it like to
be a programmer "in the real world" ?
>So I don't like that.
Tough.
That's what is generally understood by
"real world". (Unless it is MTV)
And, Tim, dear, I am going to block your email address from my
Outlook now, and I suggest to the others do the same.
Let's get back to Java.
Greg
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim
Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 8:08 PM
To:
JDJList
Subject: [jdjlist] RE: what is it like to be a
programmer "in the real
world" ?
Yes there are many exercises, but some are for beginners, some
are for
intermediate, some are for advanced and all of
them do not provide answers
at the end by which you
can check your own work and see how things should be
done.
I don't like a problem being presented without a solution at
hand. Cos if
you don't understand something, then you
never learn what the right answer
should be cos there
are no solutions given. So I don't like that.
----- Original Message -----
From: "H
Shankaranarayanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
"JDJList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent:
Friday, September 27, 2002 12:32 PM
Subject: [jdjlist]
RE: what is it like to be a programmer "in the real
world" ?
> Is there some problem with the list? everyone else also
getting multiple
copies?
>
Tim i am begining to wonder if you ever tried your hand at coding.
People
have
> given you so
many options of approaching your exercises and you now want
to know
> wot members of this list do at
their jobs.
> Start from scratch no way you can
jump the line. So many books around from
>
beginners to expert level with lots of exercises.That was how i learnt.
Just a
> suggestion,take it or
leave it.
>
>
-----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Bell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:48 AM
> To: JDJList
> Subject:
[jdjlist] RE: what is it like to be a programmer "in the real
> wor ld" ?
>
>
> try this for starters, we all did.
:)
>
>
> public class HelloWorld {
> public
static void main(String[] args) {
>
System.out.println("Hello World!");
> }
> }
>
> My next program was on raw network sockets..... a few sleepless
night I
have
> to
admit.
>
> Jase
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 26 September 2002 15:35
> To:
JDJList
> Subject: [jdjlist] RE: what is it like to
be a programmer "in the real
> wor ld" ?
>
>
> Can you please give some examples of the kind of code you write in
your
job
> so that I can
see if it is stuff that I am likely to be able to understand
> and grasp ?
>
>
>
> -----
Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Fisher"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
"JDJList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:41 PM
>
Subject: [jdjlist] RE: what is it like to be a programmer "in the real
wor
> ld" ?
>
>
> > I thought about this
for a while, and it's not an easy answer. A lot
> > depends on where you work. If you are not lucky, then
you get stuck
> > programming in a language you
hate and your life can be a living hell.
On
> > the other hand, if you work for a good company,
then life is pretty
good.
>
> For instance I work at a company that is medium to small (200
employees)
> but
> >
has money. I'm the technical lead, but also our architect. I get
to
wear
> > multiple
hats which makes my job interesting and I try to keep our
> > programmers interested by having them learn knew technology
along the
way.
>
>
> > In general, programming in the real
world means your ass is on the line
> > because
you're expected to perform at a certain competency level. I
> mentor
> > our junior
programmers, but I also expect a lot out of them. If you
> always
> > write crappy
code, eventually you'll be called on the carpet or given
> really
> > weak assignments.
> >
> > You also need to
leave your ego at the door. That was the hardest thing
> for
> > me to do when I first
started. After a while I saw the light. It
doesn't
> > take too long when you have
to work on someone's poorly documented,
> >
obfuscated, hacked up POS code.
> >
> > Programming in the real world is pressure. It
seems like there is
always
> > some unrealistic deadline set by some marketing person or a
vp -- "It's
> > vital to our business".
User's never know what they want, they only
know
> > that what you gave them was not
it and they all think they are the only
>
ones
> > with a problem. And anyone who
has ever gone through a major
>
implementation
> > can tell you, those suck
beyond belief.
> >
>
> On the other hand, you get to do a job that's like nothing else.
You're
> > part of a community that the rest of
the company just can't fathom. You
>
can
> > tend to get away with things others
don't, especially if you're good. I
>
go
> > ride my bicycle two hours a day in the
middle of the day. Nobody says a
> > thing
because it keeps me sane, and my work never suffers. A number of
> our
> > programmers keep
some odd hours but as long as the work gets done,
nobody
> > minds much.
> >
> > From a purely technical
standpoint programs written in the real world
are
> > vastly more complex than what
you'll write in high school and college.
> >
However, the basic structure of the programs is still the same.
It's
just
> > that the
programs themselves are larger and more complex.
>
>
> > Jeff
>
>
> >
> >
-----Original Message-----
> > From: Tim
Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 7:18 AM
> > To: JDJList
> > Subject:
[jdjlist] what is it like to be a programmer "in the real
> > world" ?
> >
> >
> > And to Joseph or anyone
else who would like to answer:-
> >
> > Can you possibly tell me what it is like to be a
programmer (in I assume
> the
> > Java language) in the real world ? What I mean really by that
is, what
> sort
> >
of code do you write in your job ? I assume you are working as a
computer
> > programmer
?
> >
> > So what
sort of code do you produce and work with in your job ? And is
> this
> > difficult code ?
Would I find it difficult to understand and work with ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Joseph B. Ottinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "JDJList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:12 PM
> > Subject: [jdjlist] Re: two exercises I am trying to
solve at the
> moment....
> >
> >
> > > RE: [jdjlist] Re: J2MEWell, Tim, the first step is to
read the
> suggestions
>
> > made by your coursework. Start small; write functions that do
the
simple
> > >
stuff first. Break the problems down (although most of the work has
been
> > > done for you
already.) Man, these questions have gotten easier since
*I*
> > was
>
> > in grade 9.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Tim Nicholson
> >
> To: JDJList
> > > Sent: Wednesday,
September 25, 2002 4:09 AM
> > > Subject:
[jdjlist] two exercises I am trying to solve at the
moment....
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi everyone
again,
> > >
>
> > this is in addition to the previous email that I sent but this is on
a
> > > rather different topic.
> > >
> > > I am
trying to work through some problems/exercises and I was
wondering
> if
>
> > anyone might be able to suggest how I might be able to solve
these
> > problems
>
> > ?
> > >
> > > Like I said before, this email is on a different topic
to the email
that
>
I
> > > sent before.
> > >
> > > The 1st problem I
was wondering if anyone could help me on is as
follows
> > :-
> > >
> > >
========================================================================
> > >
> > > Design
and implement a program that allows the user to input a number
in
> > any
> > > base (2..16) as a string of digits (0..9, A..F) and the
base that the
> > number
> > > is in and displays the value in decimal of the input
number.
> > > Your program must have two
function methods that respectively return:
> >
> the value of one digit character; and
> >
> the value of a whole string of digits in a given base.
> > > Hint: The first of those functions makes it easier to
write the
second.
> >
> Your program may have a BreezySwing or text-only interface
> > >
> > >
========================================================================
> > >
========================================================================
> > > And the second one is like this :-
> > >
=======================================================================
> > > Write a program that allows the user to input
any int value and
outputs
>
> that
> > > number in words.
> > > Examples:
> >
> inputoutput
> > > 0zero
> > > 3three
> > >
13thirteen
> > > 23twenty-three
> > > 223223two hundred and twenty-three thousand,
two hundred and
> twenty-three
> > > 223223223two hundred and twenty-three million, two
hundred and
> > twenty-three
> > > thousand, two hundred and twenty-three
> > > >2147483647two billion, one hundred and forty-seven
million, four
> hundred
> > > and eighty-three thousand, six hundred and
forty-seven
> > > -1minus one
> > >
> > > Your
program must have three function methods that respectively
return:
> > > a value between 1 and 9
in words;
> > > a value between 1 and 999 in
words; and
> > > any int value in
words.
> > > Hint: The first of those
functions makes it easier to write the second
>
and
> > > writing the second will help write
the third.
> > > Good solutions may have even
more functions.
> > >
>
=========================================================================
> > >
========================================================================
> > > I really don't have a clue how to solve these
so any help as to what
> sort
> > of
> > > algorithm and java
code implementation that I could use, would be very
> > much
> > >
appreciated.
> > >
> > >
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