Thanks, Soronel, and I'll make a note of this. However, I haven't changed that file. I just can't get JAWS 17 to verbalize the existing standard symbols. I vaguely recall making some adjustment somewhere to correct the problem, but can't remember where. I assume the problem lies in my using a wonderful but senile Dectalk Express as my synthesizer.
-----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir via Jfw Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 10:02 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Soronel Haetir Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained Changes to the insert symbol dialog are accomplished by editing the lists in vkeyboard.jsm (and then re-compiling vkeyboard.jss) On 11/16/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <[email protected]> wrote: > It's more complicated than that. I keep encountering new problems whose > solutions I'd figured out in the past but had to analyze all over again. > Fixes can also be time-consuming. I'm now having to re-enter all my old > placemarkers. Last night I discovered that JAWS isn't verbalizing symbols I > enter via the JAWS insert-4 symbols list. I think I encountered this problem > before, but can't remember which setting fixed it. (In my case, it's the > result of using a combination of JAWS and the Dectalk Express synthesizer.) > I've also had to remove the check for inline frames, change my forms fields > sounds again, and so on. At least I could copy over my dictionary.jdf file, > which would have been a nightmare to restore. JAWS 17 changed the pitch of > my synthesizer to a level that irritated my ears and spoiled my > comprehension. It took at least an hour to figure out that in voice > profiles, you can't change pitch when the synth is set to "all," but a pitch > dialog does appear when you try to change the PC cursor, JAWS cursor, etc., > default. A whole lot of reconstruction that shouldn't be necessary. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted > (CHFS DMS) via Jfw > Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 9:15 AM > To: The Jaws for Windows support list. > Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) > Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained > > Technical whizzes? We're not talking programming, or scripting, or anything > very difficult! For instance, I don't use typing echo, except in > spreadsheets, where errors can be hard to find and fix. Accordingly, I just > tweak Excel to speak characters, while allowing other programs to run with > Typing Echo off. Maybe I run more out of the box than many folks here do, > but that really isn't rocket science, requiring only a few seconds to set > and save. I like the merge feature, but, as I said earlier, I deliberately > did not merge 15's settings to 16, in order to avoid some minor file > corruption that occurred in 15--no big deal. > > Having said that, I don't know when I'll switch to 17, simply because 16 is > one of the coolest versions I've ever run, and I am reluctant to give it > up. > > Ted > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton > via Jfw > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 5:55 PM > To: 'Bissett, Tom'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' > Cc: Jim Hamilton > Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained > > Tom: > > For you, it may not be a "show stopper". However, for some of us, it would > appear to be. We can not all be technical wizzes! And, such screen-reading > programmes should work for "everyone", technically inclined or not! > > Jim H > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bissett, Tom [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:55 PM > To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained > > If you recall we had the same situation going from jaws 12 to jaws 13. > Because of the number and type of changes a merge was not possible. We are > seeing the same situation again. I am sure FS will have a merge moving > from > 17 to 18. > I realize it is an inconvenience but really! Itss not a show stopper. > Tom Bisset > -----Original Message----- > From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of judith bron > via Jfw > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:37 PM > To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' > Cc: judith bron > Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained > > When Freedom scientific first began way back when their mission statement > was to provide a program to the blind and visually impaired world that would > allow them to work the computer using keystrokes rather than a mouse. We've > come a long way since then but it seems that part of the mission statement > has been lost in the mire. Business has to keep progressing but losing > sight of your mission eventually reduces all the economic progress. There > are other screen readers. I hope FS doesn't wake up one day to hear that > their popularity and standing in the blind community has been replaced by > another company. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton > via Jfw > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 2:50 PM > To: 'Pablo Morales'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' > Cc: Jim Hamilton > Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained > > Pablo : > > Sorry, I had replied to this in the incorrect manner; so, I am resending my > reply to your message below. > > **************** > > Anyone wishing to complain about "no Merge Utility in JAWS 17" should send > their concerns to: > > [email protected] > > This was the advice, from JAWS Technical Support, that I got in response to > my sending my concerns to them. So, I took the technical support person at > his word, and sent my concerns accordingly. So far though, there has been > no reply from FS! > > However, the more people who do share their concerns in this way, the more > likely that FS will do something - constructive! So, come on people, strike > a blow for those who need/want to keep access to their JAWS settings on > their PCs! > > Thank you. > > Jim H > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pablo Morales [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 2:58 PM > To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained > > Writing to where? > I need merge utility, I can't not be ,re writing all commands or > configurations every time, it is time consuming. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton > via Jfw > Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 1:23 PM > To: 'Tom Behler'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' > Cc: Jim Hamilton > Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained > > Dr. Tom Behler: > > Thanks. Did you follow up by writing to the "suggestions" link in the body > of that generic response? I think that this is where the power-to-change > exists within FS. > > "Power to the people!" > > Jim H > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Behler [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 4:07 PM > To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained > > Jim and all: > > I sent my letter of discontent in early this morning, and got the generic > response. > > Hopefully others will do the same. > > Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton > via Jfw > Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 3:37 PM > To: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' > Cc: Jim Hamilton > Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained > > Well, I must say that it is most gratifying to see that lots of other JAWS > users are upset with losing the Merge Utility! I hate to be the only one > screaming in the wilderness. I have already used the below link to > complain, and received the typical FS reply that someone would be in touch. > I agree that the more people who let FS know about their feelings on this, > and any other, matter, makes a lot of sense. It is the noisy wheel that > gets greased! Let's keep those cards and letters coming in! > > Jim H > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 11:31 AM > To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained > > What's the traffic volume like on the JAWS-Users group? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike B via > Jfw > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:41 PM > To: The Jaws for Windows support list. > Cc: Mike B > Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained > > Hi Adrian, > > Believe me, I would like to rollover & stick at least 1 of my 4 legs up 1 of > someone's ass at Freedom Scientific but, it seems like, most of the time > anyways, they don't give a rats ass about what we the consumer think & go on > their merry way! I do agree that if people complained in more volume it > might make more of an impact but, if these complaints fall upon deaf ears, > so to speak, complaining won't change anything either, just as it hasn't > changed crap like this in, forever, with FS. I can tell you 1 way of > making > 1 of the most important people within Fs, Eric Damry, aware of how you feel, > & that is to join another email list, Jaws-Users. Eric Damry is a member of > this list & is a somewhat frequent poster depending on the topic, to the > list. Here is the necessary link to join if interested. > > To join: > > [email protected] > > Click on the link above, put subscribe in the subject line, leave the > message body empty, & send. You'll receive a confirmation email, reply to > it & you should be good to go. > > It's not a real high traffic list. > > Take care. > Mike > This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw > To: The Jaws for Windows support list. > Cc: Adrian Spratt > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:09 PM > Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained > > > Mike, > > Understood. The temptation to roll over and stick my four legs up in the > air > > is sometimes strong, but over time I've found that persistence and volume > can prevail. By persistence, I mean one person demanding a fix. By volume, > I > > mean the more of us who complain, the more pressure FS will be under to fix > it and ensure this kind of fiasco doesn't recur. > > I do recall many versions ago that the merge utility cause havoc from one > version to the next. The people at FS remember that event. I also know that > persistence doesn't always work. I've had my own frustrations with FS over > time. > > But the merge utility was basic to the transition from version to version, > and most of us JAWS users depended on it. It's bad enough that we must pay > for a SMA every two versions, which FS has ensured means every two years, > but now to go through such inconvenience as well? > > As for the lister who proposed a petition, let him produce one. Otherwise, > it's simple enough to write to FS and let our voices be heard. Again, the > address is > > [email protected] > > I admit I don't like being a rabble-rouser, but this really is annoying. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike B via > Jfw > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:42 PM > To: The Jaws for Windows support list. > Cc: Mike B > Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained > > Hi Adrian, > > I agree with you &, I don't find it acceptable either but, what else are we > supposed to do? We can bitch until the cows come home & it won't change the > fact, that Freedom Scientific already knows, they are not keeping up with > their own products. I've complained about various screw-ups for many years, > & when you send them a complaint you only get back an automated kiss ass > email stating how they're working to resolve the problem. It seems to me > that they have a need to stay on some kind of schedule, & that schedule is > to put out a new version of Jaws around November of each year whether it's > ready for consumer consumption or not! > Take care. > Mike > This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw > To: The Jaws for Windows support list. > Cc: Adrian Spratt > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:46 PM > Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained > > > Sorry, Mike, but I don't find this statement acceptable. Ease of transition > from version to version is important. FS should have anticipated this > concern and figured out a solution before it became our problem. As I > believe it was Aidan who pointed out, it isn't as if the new features in > JAWS 17 are exactly compelling. There are potential problems involved in > skipping a version, so I still plan to install JAWS 17 one of these days. > Once again, I encourage anyone who feels as I do to contact FS Tech Support > at > > [email protected] > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike B via > Jfw > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM > To: The Jaws for Windows support list. > Cc: Mike B > Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained > > Hi All, > > There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about the > Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes > from What's new in Jaws 17. > > Merge Utility No Longer Available > > Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process. This > included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these changes, > the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from prior > versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future which > will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our > customers. > > Take care. > Mike > This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Behler via Jfw > To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' > Cc: Tom Behler > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM > Subject: RE: merge utility > > > I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone on > the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we might > be able to get enough signitures to make an impact. > > Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions. > > I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created. > > I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching > semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point, > and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature again. > I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and ease > of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion. > > Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt > via Jfw > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM > To: The Jaws for Windows support list. > Cc: Adrian Spratt > Subject: RE: merge utility > > I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be > fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this > is. > Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all > over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? Note > that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell > via Jfw > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM > To: The Jaws for Windows support list. > Cc: Maria Campbell > Subject: Re: murge utility > > I agree completely. Enough said. > > On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote: >> Hello. >> >> I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17. >> They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being >> important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it >> would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a >> replacement tool wich could be in 17? >> Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to >> use the settings packager to acomplish that? >> I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation, >> wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to >> be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will >> affect everyone negatively. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jfw mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com >> > > -- > > Sunny Day > Maria Campbell > [email protected] > > Trials without God will break you. 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