Furder more, I am amaized that some people can determan what is difficult for all and what is easy for everyone. Since when? What is easy for me might be difficult for you and vice versa. When will the stupid human rase learn that simple principal.
On 16/11/2015, Soronel Haetir via Jfw <[email protected]> wrote: > Oh, those are the <synthesizer-name>.spl files > > On 11/16/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <[email protected]> wrote: >> Thanks, Soronel, and I'll make a note of this. However, I haven't changed >> that file. I just can't get JAWS 17 to verbalize the existing standard >> symbols. I vaguely recall making some adjustment somewhere to correct the >> problem, but can't remember where. I assume the problem lies in my using >> a >> wonderful but senile Dectalk Express as my synthesizer. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Soronel >> Haetir >> via Jfw >> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 10:02 AM >> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >> Cc: Soronel Haetir >> Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >> >> Changes to the insert symbol dialog are accomplished by editing the >> lists in vkeyboard.jsm (and then re-compiling vkeyboard.jss) >> >> On 11/16/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <[email protected]> wrote: >>> It's more complicated than that. I keep encountering new problems whose >>> solutions I'd figured out in the past but had to analyze all over again. >>> Fixes can also be time-consuming. I'm now having to re-enter all my old >>> placemarkers. Last night I discovered that JAWS isn't verbalizing >>> symbols >>> I >>> enter via the JAWS insert-4 symbols list. I think I encountered this >>> problem >>> before, but can't remember which setting fixed it. (In my case, it's the >>> result of using a combination of JAWS and the Dectalk Express >>> synthesizer.) >>> I've also had to remove the check for inline frames, change my forms >>> fields >>> sounds again, and so on. At least I could copy over my dictionary.jdf >>> file, >>> which would have been a nightmare to restore. JAWS 17 changed the pitch >>> of >>> my synthesizer to a level that irritated my ears and spoiled my >>> comprehension. It took at least an hour to figure out that in voice >>> profiles, you can't change pitch when the synth is set to "all," but a >>> pitch >>> dialog does appear when you try to change the PC cursor, JAWS cursor, >>> etc., >>> default. A whole lot of reconstruction that shouldn't be necessary. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted >>> (CHFS DMS) via Jfw >>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 9:15 AM >>> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >>> Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) >>> Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >>> >>> Technical whizzes? We're not talking programming, or scripting, or >>> anything >>> very difficult! For instance, I don't use typing echo, except in >>> spreadsheets, where errors can be hard to find and fix. Accordingly, I >>> just >>> tweak Excel to speak characters, while allowing other programs to run >>> with >>> Typing Echo off. Maybe I run more out of the box than many folks here >>> do, >>> but that really isn't rocket science, requiring only a few seconds to >>> set >>> and save. I like the merge feature, but, as I said earlier, I >>> deliberately >>> did not merge 15's settings to 16, in order to avoid some minor file >>> corruption that occurred in 15--no big deal. >>> >>> Having said that, I don't know when I'll switch to 17, simply because 16 >>> is >>> one of the coolest versions I've ever run, and I am reluctant to give >>> it >>> up. >>> >>> Ted >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim >>> Hamilton >>> via Jfw >>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 5:55 PM >>> To: 'Bissett, Tom'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' >>> Cc: Jim Hamilton >>> Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >>> >>> Tom: >>> >>> For you, it may not be a "show stopper". However, for some of us, it >>> would >>> appear to be. We can not all be technical wizzes! And, such >>> screen-reading >>> programmes should work for "everyone", technically inclined or not! >>> >>> Jim H >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Bissett, Tom [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:55 PM >>> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <[email protected]> >>> Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >>> >>> If you recall we had the same situation going from jaws 12 to jaws 13. >>> Because of the number and type of changes a merge was not possible. We >>> are >>> seeing the same situation again. I am sure FS will have a merge moving >>> from >>> 17 to 18. >>> I realize it is an inconvenience but really! Itss not a show stopper. >>> Tom Bisset >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of judith >>> bron >>> via Jfw >>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:37 PM >>> To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' >>> Cc: judith bron >>> Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >>> >>> When Freedom scientific first began way back when their mission >>> statement >>> was to provide a program to the blind and visually impaired world that >>> would >>> allow them to work the computer using keystrokes rather than a mouse. >>> We've >>> come a long way since then but it seems that part of the mission >>> statement >>> has been lost in the mire. Business has to keep progressing but losing >>> sight of your mission eventually reduces all the economic progress. >>> There >>> are other screen readers. I hope FS doesn't wake up one day to hear >>> that >>> their popularity and standing in the blind community has been replaced >>> by >>> another company. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim >>> Hamilton >>> via Jfw >>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 2:50 PM >>> To: 'Pablo Morales'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' >>> Cc: Jim Hamilton >>> Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >>> >>> Pablo : >>> >>> Sorry, I had replied to this in the incorrect manner; so, I am resending >>> my >>> reply to your message below. >>> >>> **************** >>> >>> Anyone wishing to complain about "no Merge Utility in JAWS 17" should >>> send >>> their concerns to: >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> This was the advice, from JAWS Technical Support, that I got in response >>> to >>> my sending my concerns to them. So, I took the technical support person >>> at >>> his word, and sent my concerns accordingly. So far though, there has >>> been >>> no reply from FS! >>> >>> However, the more people who do share their concerns in this way, the >>> more >>> likely that FS will do something - constructive! So, come on people, >>> strike >>> a blow for those who need/want to keep access to their JAWS settings on >>> their PCs! >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Jim H >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Pablo Morales [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 2:58 PM >>> To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <[email protected]> >>> Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >>> >>> Writing to where? >>> I need merge utility, I can't not be ,re writing all commands or >>> configurations every time, it is time consuming. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim >>> Hamilton >>> via Jfw >>> Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 1:23 PM >>> To: 'Tom Behler'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' >>> Cc: Jim Hamilton >>> Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >>> >>> Dr. Tom Behler: >>> >>> Thanks. Did you follow up by writing to the "suggestions" link in the >>> body >>> of that generic response? I think that this is where the >>> power-to-change >>> exists within FS. >>> >>> "Power to the people!" >>> >>> Jim H >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Tom Behler [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 4:07 PM >>> To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <[email protected]> >>> Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >>> >>> Jim and all: >>> >>> I sent my letter of discontent in early this morning, and got the >>> generic >>> response. >>> >>> Hopefully others will do the same. >>> >>> Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim >>> Hamilton >>> via Jfw >>> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 3:37 PM >>> To: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' >>> Cc: Jim Hamilton >>> Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >>> >>> Well, I must say that it is most gratifying to see that lots of other >>> JAWS >>> users are upset with losing the Merge Utility! I hate to be the only >>> one >>> screaming in the wilderness. I have already used the below link to >>> complain, and received the typical FS reply that someone would be in >>> touch. >>> I agree that the more people who let FS know about their feelings on >>> this, >>> and any other, matter, makes a lot of sense. It is the noisy wheel that >>> gets greased! Let's keep those cards and letters coming in! >>> >>> Jim H >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 11:31 AM >>> To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <[email protected]> >>> Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >>> >>> What's the traffic volume like on the JAWS-Users group? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike B via >>> Jfw >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:41 PM >>> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >>> Cc: Mike B >>> Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >>> >>> Hi Adrian, >>> >>> Believe me, I would like to rollover & stick at least 1 of my 4 legs up >>> 1 >>> of >>> someone's ass at Freedom Scientific but, it seems like, most of the time >>> anyways, they don't give a rats ass about what we the consumer think & >>> go >>> on >>> their merry way! I do agree that if people complained in more volume it >>> might make more of an impact but, if these complaints fall upon deaf >>> ears, >>> so to speak, complaining won't change anything either, just as it hasn't >>> changed crap like this in, forever, with FS. I can tell you 1 way of >>> making >>> 1 of the most important people within Fs, Eric Damry, aware of how you >>> feel, >>> & that is to join another email list, Jaws-Users. Eric Damry is a >>> member >>> of >>> this list & is a somewhat frequent poster depending on the topic, to the >>> list. Here is the necessary link to join if interested. >>> >>> To join: >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> Click on the link above, put subscribe in the subject line, leave the >>> message body empty, & send. You'll receive a confirmation email, reply >>> to >>> it & you should be good to go. >>> >>> It's not a real high traffic list. >>> >>> Take care. >>> Mike >>> This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways! >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw >>> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >>> Cc: Adrian Spratt >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:09 PM >>> Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >>> >>> >>> Mike, >>> >>> Understood. The temptation to roll over and stick my four legs up in the >>> air >>> >>> is sometimes strong, but over time I've found that persistence and >>> volume >>> can prevail. By persistence, I mean one person demanding a fix. By >>> volume, >>> I >>> >>> mean the more of us who complain, the more pressure FS will be under to >>> fix >>> it and ensure this kind of fiasco doesn't recur. >>> >>> I do recall many versions ago that the merge utility cause havoc from >>> one >>> version to the next. The people at FS remember that event. I also know >>> that >>> persistence doesn't always work. I've had my own frustrations with FS >>> over >>> time. >>> >>> But the merge utility was basic to the transition from version to >>> version, >>> and most of us JAWS users depended on it. It's bad enough that we must >>> pay >>> for a SMA every two versions, which FS has ensured means every two >>> years, >>> but now to go through such inconvenience as well? >>> >>> As for the lister who proposed a petition, let him produce one. >>> Otherwise, >>> it's simple enough to write to FS and let our voices be heard. Again, >>> the >>> address is >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> I admit I don't like being a rabble-rouser, but this really is annoying. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike B via >>> Jfw >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:42 PM >>> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >>> Cc: Mike B >>> Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >>> >>> Hi Adrian, >>> >>> I agree with you &, I don't find it acceptable either but, what else are >>> we >>> supposed to do? We can bitch until the cows come home & it won't change >>> the >>> fact, that Freedom Scientific already knows, they are not keeping up >>> with >>> their own products. I've complained about various screw-ups for many >>> years, >>> & when you send them a complaint you only get back an automated kiss ass >>> email stating how they're working to resolve the problem. It seems to >>> me >>> that they have a need to stay on some kind of schedule, & that schedule >>> is >>> to put out a new version of Jaws around November of each year whether >>> it's >>> ready for consumer consumption or not! >>> Take care. >>> Mike >>> This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways! >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw >>> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >>> Cc: Adrian Spratt >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:46 PM >>> Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >>> >>> >>> Sorry, Mike, but I don't find this statement acceptable. Ease of >>> transition >>> from version to version is important. FS should have anticipated this >>> concern and figured out a solution before it became our problem. As I >>> believe it was Aidan who pointed out, it isn't as if the new features in >>> JAWS 17 are exactly compelling. There are potential problems involved in >>> skipping a version, so I still plan to install JAWS 17 one of these >>> days. >>> Once again, I encourage anyone who feels as I do to contact FS Tech >>> Support >>> at >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike B via >>> Jfw >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM >>> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >>> Cc: Mike B >>> Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about >>> the >>> Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This >>> comes >>> from What's new in Jaws 17. >>> >>> Merge Utility No Longer Available >>> >>> Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process. >>> This >>> included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these >>> changes, >>> the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from >>> prior >>> versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future >>> which >>> will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our >>> customers. >>> >>> Take care. >>> Mike >>> This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways! >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Tom Behler via Jfw >>> To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' >>> Cc: Tom Behler >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM >>> Subject: RE: merge utility >>> >>> >>> I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone >>> on >>> the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we >>> might >>> be able to get enough signitures to make an impact. >>> >>> Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions. >>> >>> I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created. >>> >>> I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching >>> semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this >>> point, >>> and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature >>> again. >>> I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and >>> ease >>> of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion. >>> >>> Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Adrian >>> Spratt >>> via Jfw >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM >>> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >>> Cc: Adrian Spratt >>> Subject: RE: merge utility >>> >>> I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be >>> fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this >>> is. >>> Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start >>> all >>> over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? >>> Note >>> that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maria >>> Campbell >>> via Jfw >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM >>> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >>> Cc: Maria Campbell >>> Subject: Re: murge utility >>> >>> I agree completely. Enough said. >>> >>> On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote: >>>> Hello. >>>> >>>> I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17. >>>> They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being >>>> important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it >>>> would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a >>>> replacement tool wich could be in 17? >>>> Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to >>>> use the settings packager to acomplish that? >>>> I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation, >>>> wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to >>>> be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will >>>> affect everyone negatively. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jfw mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Sunny Day >>> Maria Campbell >>> [email protected] >>> >>> Trials without God will break you. 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