Oh, those are the <synthesizer-name>.spl files On 11/16/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks, Soronel, and I'll make a note of this. However, I haven't changed > that file. I just can't get JAWS 17 to verbalize the existing standard > symbols. I vaguely recall making some adjustment somewhere to correct the > problem, but can't remember where. I assume the problem lies in my using a > wonderful but senile Dectalk Express as my synthesizer. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir > via Jfw > Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 10:02 AM > To: The Jaws for Windows support list. > Cc: Soronel Haetir > Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained > > Changes to the insert symbol dialog are accomplished by editing the > lists in vkeyboard.jsm (and then re-compiling vkeyboard.jss) > > On 11/16/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <[email protected]> wrote: >> It's more complicated than that. I keep encountering new problems whose >> solutions I'd figured out in the past but had to analyze all over again. >> Fixes can also be time-consuming. I'm now having to re-enter all my old >> placemarkers. Last night I discovered that JAWS isn't verbalizing symbols >> I >> enter via the JAWS insert-4 symbols list. I think I encountered this >> problem >> before, but can't remember which setting fixed it. (In my case, it's the >> result of using a combination of JAWS and the Dectalk Express >> synthesizer.) >> I've also had to remove the check for inline frames, change my forms >> fields >> sounds again, and so on. At least I could copy over my dictionary.jdf >> file, >> which would have been a nightmare to restore. JAWS 17 changed the pitch >> of >> my synthesizer to a level that irritated my ears and spoiled my >> comprehension. It took at least an hour to figure out that in voice >> profiles, you can't change pitch when the synth is set to "all," but a >> pitch >> dialog does appear when you try to change the PC cursor, JAWS cursor, >> etc., >> default. A whole lot of reconstruction that shouldn't be necessary. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted >> (CHFS DMS) via Jfw >> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 9:15 AM >> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >> Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) >> Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >> >> Technical whizzes? We're not talking programming, or scripting, or >> anything >> very difficult! For instance, I don't use typing echo, except in >> spreadsheets, where errors can be hard to find and fix. Accordingly, I >> just >> tweak Excel to speak characters, while allowing other programs to run >> with >> Typing Echo off. Maybe I run more out of the box than many folks here >> do, >> but that really isn't rocket science, requiring only a few seconds to >> set >> and save. I like the merge feature, but, as I said earlier, I >> deliberately >> did not merge 15's settings to 16, in order to avoid some minor file >> corruption that occurred in 15--no big deal. >> >> Having said that, I don't know when I'll switch to 17, simply because 16 >> is >> one of the coolest versions I've ever run, and I am reluctant to give it >> up. >> >> Ted >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim >> Hamilton >> via Jfw >> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 5:55 PM >> To: 'Bissett, Tom'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' >> Cc: Jim Hamilton >> Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >> >> Tom: >> >> For you, it may not be a "show stopper". However, for some of us, it >> would >> appear to be. We can not all be technical wizzes! And, such >> screen-reading >> programmes should work for "everyone", technically inclined or not! >> >> Jim H >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bissett, Tom [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:55 PM >> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <[email protected]> >> Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >> >> If you recall we had the same situation going from jaws 12 to jaws 13. >> Because of the number and type of changes a merge was not possible. We >> are >> seeing the same situation again. I am sure FS will have a merge moving >> from >> 17 to 18. >> I realize it is an inconvenience but really! Itss not a show stopper. >> Tom Bisset >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of judith bron >> via Jfw >> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:37 PM >> To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' >> Cc: judith bron >> Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >> >> When Freedom scientific first began way back when their mission statement >> was to provide a program to the blind and visually impaired world that >> would >> allow them to work the computer using keystrokes rather than a mouse. >> We've >> come a long way since then but it seems that part of the mission >> statement >> has been lost in the mire. Business has to keep progressing but losing >> sight of your mission eventually reduces all the economic progress. >> There >> are other screen readers. I hope FS doesn't wake up one day to hear that >> their popularity and standing in the blind community has been replaced by >> another company. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim >> Hamilton >> via Jfw >> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 2:50 PM >> To: 'Pablo Morales'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' >> Cc: Jim Hamilton >> Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >> >> Pablo : >> >> Sorry, I had replied to this in the incorrect manner; so, I am resending >> my >> reply to your message below. >> >> **************** >> >> Anyone wishing to complain about "no Merge Utility in JAWS 17" should >> send >> their concerns to: >> >> [email protected] >> >> This was the advice, from JAWS Technical Support, that I got in response >> to >> my sending my concerns to them. So, I took the technical support person >> at >> his word, and sent my concerns accordingly. So far though, there has >> been >> no reply from FS! >> >> However, the more people who do share their concerns in this way, the >> more >> likely that FS will do something - constructive! So, come on people, >> strike >> a blow for those who need/want to keep access to their JAWS settings on >> their PCs! >> >> Thank you. >> >> Jim H >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pablo Morales [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 2:58 PM >> To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <[email protected]> >> Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >> >> Writing to where? >> I need merge utility, I can't not be ,re writing all commands or >> configurations every time, it is time consuming. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim >> Hamilton >> via Jfw >> Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 1:23 PM >> To: 'Tom Behler'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' >> Cc: Jim Hamilton >> Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >> >> Dr. Tom Behler: >> >> Thanks. Did you follow up by writing to the "suggestions" link in the >> body >> of that generic response? I think that this is where the power-to-change >> exists within FS. >> >> "Power to the people!" >> >> Jim H >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tom Behler [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 4:07 PM >> To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <[email protected]> >> Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >> >> Jim and all: >> >> I sent my letter of discontent in early this morning, and got the generic >> response. >> >> Hopefully others will do the same. >> >> Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim >> Hamilton >> via Jfw >> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 3:37 PM >> To: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' >> Cc: Jim Hamilton >> Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >> >> Well, I must say that it is most gratifying to see that lots of other >> JAWS >> users are upset with losing the Merge Utility! I hate to be the only one >> screaming in the wilderness. I have already used the below link to >> complain, and received the typical FS reply that someone would be in >> touch. >> I agree that the more people who let FS know about their feelings on >> this, >> and any other, matter, makes a lot of sense. It is the noisy wheel that >> gets greased! Let's keep those cards and letters coming in! >> >> Jim H >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 11:31 AM >> To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <[email protected]> >> Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >> >> What's the traffic volume like on the JAWS-Users group? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike B via >> Jfw >> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:41 PM >> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >> Cc: Mike B >> Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >> >> Hi Adrian, >> >> Believe me, I would like to rollover & stick at least 1 of my 4 legs up 1 >> of >> someone's ass at Freedom Scientific but, it seems like, most of the time >> anyways, they don't give a rats ass about what we the consumer think & go >> on >> their merry way! I do agree that if people complained in more volume it >> might make more of an impact but, if these complaints fall upon deaf >> ears, >> so to speak, complaining won't change anything either, just as it hasn't >> changed crap like this in, forever, with FS. I can tell you 1 way of >> making >> 1 of the most important people within Fs, Eric Damry, aware of how you >> feel, >> & that is to join another email list, Jaws-Users. Eric Damry is a member >> of >> this list & is a somewhat frequent poster depending on the topic, to the >> list. Here is the necessary link to join if interested. >> >> To join: >> >> [email protected] >> >> Click on the link above, put subscribe in the subject line, leave the >> message body empty, & send. You'll receive a confirmation email, reply >> to >> it & you should be good to go. >> >> It's not a real high traffic list. >> >> Take care. >> Mike >> This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw >> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >> Cc: Adrian Spratt >> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:09 PM >> Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >> >> >> Mike, >> >> Understood. The temptation to roll over and stick my four legs up in the >> air >> >> is sometimes strong, but over time I've found that persistence and volume >> can prevail. By persistence, I mean one person demanding a fix. By >> volume, >> I >> >> mean the more of us who complain, the more pressure FS will be under to >> fix >> it and ensure this kind of fiasco doesn't recur. >> >> I do recall many versions ago that the merge utility cause havoc from one >> version to the next. The people at FS remember that event. I also know >> that >> persistence doesn't always work. I've had my own frustrations with FS >> over >> time. >> >> But the merge utility was basic to the transition from version to >> version, >> and most of us JAWS users depended on it. It's bad enough that we must >> pay >> for a SMA every two versions, which FS has ensured means every two years, >> but now to go through such inconvenience as well? >> >> As for the lister who proposed a petition, let him produce one. >> Otherwise, >> it's simple enough to write to FS and let our voices be heard. Again, the >> address is >> >> [email protected] >> >> I admit I don't like being a rabble-rouser, but this really is annoying. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike B via >> Jfw >> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:42 PM >> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >> Cc: Mike B >> Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >> >> Hi Adrian, >> >> I agree with you &, I don't find it acceptable either but, what else are >> we >> supposed to do? We can bitch until the cows come home & it won't change >> the >> fact, that Freedom Scientific already knows, they are not keeping up with >> their own products. I've complained about various screw-ups for many >> years, >> & when you send them a complaint you only get back an automated kiss ass >> email stating how they're working to resolve the problem. It seems to me >> that they have a need to stay on some kind of schedule, & that schedule >> is >> to put out a new version of Jaws around November of each year whether >> it's >> ready for consumer consumption or not! >> Take care. >> Mike >> This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw >> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >> Cc: Adrian Spratt >> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:46 PM >> Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >> >> >> Sorry, Mike, but I don't find this statement acceptable. Ease of >> transition >> from version to version is important. FS should have anticipated this >> concern and figured out a solution before it became our problem. As I >> believe it was Aidan who pointed out, it isn't as if the new features in >> JAWS 17 are exactly compelling. There are potential problems involved in >> skipping a version, so I still plan to install JAWS 17 one of these days. >> Once again, I encourage anyone who feels as I do to contact FS Tech >> Support >> at >> >> [email protected] >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike B via >> Jfw >> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM >> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >> Cc: Mike B >> Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained >> >> Hi All, >> >> There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about >> the >> Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes >> from What's new in Jaws 17. >> >> Merge Utility No Longer Available >> >> Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process. >> This >> included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these >> changes, >> the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from >> prior >> versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future >> which >> will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our >> customers. >> >> Take care. >> Mike >> This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Tom Behler via Jfw >> To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' >> Cc: Tom Behler >> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM >> Subject: RE: merge utility >> >> >> I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone >> on >> the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we >> might >> be able to get enough signitures to make an impact. >> >> Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions. >> >> I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created. >> >> I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching >> semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point, >> and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature >> again. >> I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and >> ease >> of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion. >> >> Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Adrian >> Spratt >> via Jfw >> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM >> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >> Cc: Adrian Spratt >> Subject: RE: merge utility >> >> I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be >> fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this >> is. >> Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start >> all >> over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? >> Note >> that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maria >> Campbell >> via Jfw >> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM >> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >> Cc: Maria Campbell >> Subject: Re: murge utility >> >> I agree completely. Enough said. >> >> On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote: >>> Hello. >>> >>> I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17. >>> They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being >>> important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it >>> would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a >>> replacement tool wich could be in 17? >>> Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to >>> use the settings packager to acomplish that? >>> I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation, >>> wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to >>> be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will >>> affect everyone negatively. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jfw mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com >>> >> >> -- >> >> Sunny Day >> Maria Campbell >> [email protected] >> >> Trials without God will break you. 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