Bill,
I just installed Open Book 3.5 on this computer, and I'm using it with
Dectalk Access 32 from H-J. The problem I ran into was that I couldn't use
Dectalk access as my default synth and use it with Open Book, too, for some
reason. Now, I'm not saying this can't be done; I'm just saying it doesn't
work for me. When I try to do so, I get an error message when jaws starts
to run that tells me that the Dectalk driver can't load.
I'm not one to bad mouth Henter-Joyce, but I would advise anybody not to buy
the H-J version of Dectalk access. In the first place, Eloquence seems to
be a perfectly acceptable synth to me, and I think I would have done better
to have bought a version of Access 32 that would have worked with anything I
wanted to run it with and not give me problems.
-----Original Message-----
From: bill cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: Which internal synthesizer work well with Jfw? -Reply-Reply
>sean i do not own window eyes, i do refer to it often enough, mainly
because i
>live in indiana, where it is maid and pushed by rehab, so i have many
friends
>that do.
>i was told that the interface is differant, in addition to how it uses the
>key, while i know of no body trying window eyes, i have heard that jfw
>access 32 does not work with open book.
>though i never personally tried it, and its possible that it may be maid to
>work.
>
>
>bill
>
>
>
>At 01:42 PM 1/27/99 +1100, you wrote:
>>Hi Bill.
>>
>>If you have purchased Dectalk Access 32 from HJ and you are using both
>>JFW and Window-eyes. Then the Dectalk Access 32 software should work
>>in both screen readers because the DECTalk Access 32 software should
>>search for the JFW authorisation key.
>>
>>If anyone on the list does have this combination, how about trying it
>>and letting us all know.
>>
>>Cheers
>>Sean.
>>>>> bill cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 25/January/1999 11:36am >>>
>>derrick are you sure that this will work, i was under the impression
>>that what
>>you are saying is true, but, and the but is a big one.
>>
>>if the jfw key is still present wimdow eyes should be able to use
>>the access
>>32 that hj is selling in theory, but, to do so modifications to window
>>eyes
>>need to be maid to use it.
>>
>>or modifications to open book ect ect ect.
>>
>>so basicly what you say and what hj says are accurate, only in
>>reality why
>>would window eyes want to go to that hassle when they support the
>>regular
>>standard.
>>
>>so derrick if you have gotten this to work please let me know.
>>
>>comments from g w micro on a taped magazine seem to indicate that
>>window eyes
>>will not work with access 32 from hj.
>>any clarification is helpful.
>>thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>>At 04:14 PM 1/23/99 -0800, you wrote:
>>>That is not exactly the case. There are two versions of Access32- the
>>>stand alone version and the proprietary version that is tied to a
>>>particular screen reader like JFW. Both are capable of working with
>>any
>>>screen reader that supports soft synths.
>>>
>>>The stand alone version has its own authorization key and is able to
>>run
>>>independently of whatever screen reader you may use.
>>>
>>>The proprietary version does not have its own key. Instead it uses
>>the
>>>screen reader's key to tell it to run. This means that if you want
>>to
>>>use the proprietary version with another screen reader, you need to
>>>leave the authorization key of the original reader on the hard drive
>>in
>>>order to have the proprietary version of access32 work with the new
>>>reader.
>>>
>>>
>>>Derek Isobe
>>>E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
>>>E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Web Page: http://home.istar.ca/~disobe
>>>
>>>
>>>Cathy wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello:
>>>> I just want to make sure I understand right. You can not buy the
>>soft ware
>>>> Dec-talk 32 from any body else except HJ, because it won't work if
>>jfw, is
>>>> that right. I was thinking about buying it from Ann Morris in a
>>couple of
>>>> months, you see she has it cheaper that HJ, and I was told not to
>>buy it
>>>> from HJ because then it won't work with any other screen reader
>>except jfw.
>>>> I am not trying to put HJ down, but if this is true, it really
>>isn't fare to
>>>> us, to have to just buy there product, if we can get the same thing
>>from so
>>>> other place but cheaper, with the same assurance of usage as what
>>they
>>>> offer. Also it should not be limited to just being used with jfw.
>>You see,
>>>> I didn't have choice about what screen reader I got, because it
>>was bought
>>>> for be by the state, and you take what they feel like you can use.
>>No, I am
>>>> not putting down jfw, I love it, and I don't think I would change
>>even if I
>>>> could.
>>>> Cathy and guide dog Tilly, Black Lab:
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Carol Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> Date: Saturday, January 23, 1999 1:01 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: Which internal synthesizer work well with Jfw? -Reply
>>>>
>>>> >Hi Bill,
>>>> >
>>>> >You're probably right, that some of the problems are video
>>related. The
>>>> >laptop is particularly slow and I did see an explanation of this
>>on the
>>>> >List a month or two back - can anyone remind me why video cards
>>are so slow
>>>> >on laptops - but on my desktop the cards are OK but Dectalk
>>Express is so
>>>> >much better.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >--
>>>> >Carol
>>>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >At 01:47 23/01/99 -0500, bill cameron wrote:
>>>> >>carol i am not takeing any shots at you, you are right, that is
>>why i
>>>> would
>>>> >>buy the double talk, hardware is better under 300 mhz.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>with that said be aware that while you have problems can you be
>>sure it
>>>> is
>>>> >>not video related?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>with respect to stability?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>those s t b cards seem to have more driver trouble than other
>>brands, and
>>>> >not
>>>> >>just for blind users either.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>their is a reason compaque and hp pick matrox, good drivers.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>if you lived on this side of the ocean i would give you a video
>>card.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>nobody deserves the trouble you had.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>bill cameron
>>>> >>
>>>> >>At 12:00 AM 1/23/99 +0000, you wrote:
>>>> >>>Hi Bill,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>Thanks for your input on synths. However, by my experience, I
>>am not
>>>> >>>convinced that this is the case for all of us. (I'm still using
>>a 133
>>>> >>>Pentium with a video card which is just passable, remember.)
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>Although good improvements have been made to Keynote and it is
>>now
>>>> >>>relatively stable for many, it seems to depend upon one's
>>computer and
>>>> >>>configuration just how stable it is. It is still prone to cut
>>out on our
>>>> >>>laptop when a lot of processing has to be done and, before I get
>>shot
>>>> down
>>>> >>>in flames again for this message, let me add that of course it
>>may be due
>>>> >>>to laptop settings that I personally have been unable to resolve
>>and not
>>>> >>>the direct fault of the Keynote synth itself.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>However, whatever the reason, for me the software synths are
>>still not as
>>>> >>>sbable as I would like to see them. Well, once HJ has done
>>something
>>>> with
>>>> >>>the CTRL-ALT-DEL combination I shall probably feel a little
>>better - more
>>>> >>>in control of the crashes - but that's it for now.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>--
>>>> >>>Carol Pearson
>>>> >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>At 15:30 22/01/99 -0500, bill cameron wrote:
>>>> >>>>carol as a user of 2 software synths, keynote and dec talk
>>access 32, i
>>>> >can
>>>> >>>>tell you that if i was buying a hardward synth, it would be
>>external and
>>>> >>>cheap,
>>>> >>>>like the spirit from artic that cost 300 dollars but it
>>emulates an
>>>> accent
>>>> >>> so
>>>> >>>>it shall work down the road in n t.
>>>> >>>>software speech provides great quality voice while the cheaper
>>synth
>>>> >>>provides
>>>> >>>>access in all enviroments.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>if i had to buy internal i would also combine double talk with
>>access
>>>> 32.
>>>> >>>>the only reason for buying internal is if i did not have a irq
>>available
>>>> >>>in the
>>>> >>>>system.
>>>> >>>>reason for combineing access 32 with double talk is that access
>>32
>>>> shall
>>>> >>>work
>>>> >>>>in windows n t as well.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>now if i where poor, i would go software only and with out a
>>doubt the
>>>> >>>synth i
>>>> >>>>bought would be the keynote software synth, also called
>>multmedia.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>by the way it is extremely stable in every respect, and for
>>the last
>>>> >>>month it
>>>> >>>>is all i am using.
>>>> >>>>reason being i pulled my hardware synth out of old system to
>>install in
>>>> new
>>>> >>>>system.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>no problems, since they released their second version or
>>upgrade, really
>>>> >was
>>>> >>>>bug patches about 6 months back.
>>>> >>>>also if the user uses a dos screen reader that supports the
>>keynote soft
>>>> >>>synth
>>>> >>>>then dos box access is still possible.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>so keynote is the best software synth that i have used in the
>>win 9 x
>>>> >>>>enviroment, of course their are many i have not used
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>one other thing, if keynote does run into a problem its a good
>>thang jfw
>>>> >>>>provides a back up software synth.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>the only down side to the keynote is that it does not work in
>>win n t.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>bill
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>At 01:09 PM 1/22/99 +0000, you wrote:
>>>> >>>>>Hi there,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>Well, I don't like the idea of internal software synths only.
>>I think
>>>> >>>>>there's rather more work to be done before I'd be entirely
>>happy
>>>> >without my
>>>> >>>>>Dectalk Express. Even the best of the software synths are not
>>so
>>>> stable
>>>> >>>>>(certainly with 95) and I still like nipping to DOS now and
>>again. I
>>>> >guess
>>>> >>>>>if I move to NT that won't be an option anyway.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>I guess what I really want to say is that I still feel we
>>should be
>>>> >>>>>encouraging HJ and makers of synthersizers to continue to make
>>>> >improvements
>>>> >>>>>here as the software synths are just not totally up to it yet.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>--
>>>> >>>>>Carol Pearson
>>>> >>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>At 11:00 22/01/99 +1100, Sean Murphy wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>Hi,
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>I will answer your two questions in the quoted message below.
>> My
>>>> >>>>>>comments are preceded by SM:.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Tim Culhane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 21/January/1999
>>10:40pm >>>
>>>> >>>>>>What is the reason for this?
>>>> >>>>>>SM: If you mean why internal synths will have a short life
>>spand in
>>>> >>>>>>computerrs, the answer is very simple. NT at this point of
>>time does
>>>> >>>>>>not have any ssill drivers. Until Arkenstone brings out NT
>>drivers,
>>>> >>>>>>you wil not get your Internal synths to work. Yes, you could
>>sya that
>>>> >>>>>>JFW or any other screen reader should develop their own
>>drivers. But
>>>> >>>>>>they will not do so because new computers will not have any
>>ISA slots
>>>> >>>>>>in them. ISA slots are being phased out. Also software
>>synthesizers
>>>> >>>>>>are becoming more common and cost less. Using Australian
>>prices, the
>>>> >>>>>>cost of a Dectalk PC or Express is around the $1500 and the
>>Dectalk
>>>> >>>>>>Access 32 is about $400 and if you buy a cheap sound card,
>>you are
>>>> >>>>>>looking about $100. A total of $500, which means I save
>>$1000. In
>>>> >>>>>>other words, the main stream market is seeing the advantages
>>of
>>>> >>>>>>software speech and this will completely change the way that
>>synths
>>>> >>>>>>are sold.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>Will there be an alternative?
>>>> >>>>>>SM: Software synths are the replacement.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>Regards
>>>> >>>>>>Sean.
>>>> >>>>>>-
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>>http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~nallan/jfw
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
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