sean i do not own window eyes, i do refer to it often enough, mainly because i
live in indiana, where it is maid and pushed by rehab, so i have many friends
that do.
i was told that the interface is differant, in addition to how it uses the
key, while i know of no body trying window eyes, i have heard that jfw
access 32 does not work with open book.
though i never personally tried it, and its possible that it may be maid to
work.
bill
At 01:42 PM 1/27/99 +1100, you wrote:
>Hi Bill.
>
>If you have purchased Dectalk Access 32 from HJ and you are using both
>JFW and Window-eyes. Then the Dectalk Access 32 software should work
>in both screen readers because the DECTalk Access 32 software should
>search for the JFW authorisation key.
>
>If anyone on the list does have this combination, how about trying it
>and letting us all know.
>
>Cheers
>Sean.
>>>> bill cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 25/January/1999 11:36am >>>
>derrick are you sure that this will work, i was under the impression
>that what
>you are saying is true, but, and the but is a big one.
>
>if the jfw key is still present wimdow eyes should be able to use
>the access
>32 that hj is selling in theory, but, to do so modifications to window
>eyes
>need to be maid to use it.
>
>or modifications to open book ect ect ect.
>
>so basicly what you say and what hj says are accurate, only in
>reality why
>would window eyes want to go to that hassle when they support the
>regular
>standard.
>
>so derrick if you have gotten this to work please let me know.
>
>comments from g w micro on a taped magazine seem to indicate that
>window eyes
>will not work with access 32 from hj.
>any clarification is helpful.
>thanks in advance.
>
>
>
>At 04:14 PM 1/23/99 -0800, you wrote:
>>That is not exactly the case. There are two versions of Access32- the
>>stand alone version and the proprietary version that is tied to a
>>particular screen reader like JFW. Both are capable of working with
>any
>>screen reader that supports soft synths.
>>
>>The stand alone version has its own authorization key and is able to
>run
>>independently of whatever screen reader you may use.
>>
>>The proprietary version does not have its own key. Instead it uses
>the
>>screen reader's key to tell it to run. This means that if you want
>to
>>use the proprietary version with another screen reader, you need to
>>leave the authorization key of the original reader on the hard drive
>in
>>order to have the proprietary version of access32 work with the new
>>reader.
>>
>>
>>Derek Isobe
>>E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
>>E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Web Page: http://home.istar.ca/~disobe
>>
>>
>>Cathy wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello:
>>> I just want to make sure I understand right. You can not buy the
>soft ware
>>> Dec-talk 32 from any body else except HJ, because it won't work if
>jfw, is
>>> that right. I was thinking about buying it from Ann Morris in a
>couple of
>>> months, you see she has it cheaper that HJ, and I was told not to
>buy it
>>> from HJ because then it won't work with any other screen reader
>except jfw.
>>> I am not trying to put HJ down, but if this is true, it really
>isn't fare to
>>> us, to have to just buy there product, if we can get the same thing
>from so
>>> other place but cheaper, with the same assurance of usage as what
>they
>>> offer. Also it should not be limited to just being used with jfw.
>You see,
>>> I didn't have choice about what screen reader I got, because it
>was bought
>>> for be by the state, and you take what they feel like you can use.
>No, I am
>>> not putting down jfw, I love it, and I don't think I would change
>even if I
>>> could.
>>> Cathy and guide dog Tilly, Black Lab:
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Carol Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Date: Saturday, January 23, 1999 1:01 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Which internal synthesizer work well with Jfw? -Reply
>>>
>>> >Hi Bill,
>>> >
>>> >You're probably right, that some of the problems are video
>related. The
>>> >laptop is particularly slow and I did see an explanation of this
>on the
>>> >List a month or two back - can anyone remind me why video cards
>are so slow
>>> >on laptops - but on my desktop the cards are OK but Dectalk
>Express is so
>>> >much better.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >--
>>> >Carol
>>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >At 01:47 23/01/99 -0500, bill cameron wrote:
>>> >>carol i am not takeing any shots at you, you are right, that is
>why i
>>> would
>>> >>buy the double talk, hardware is better under 300 mhz.
>>> >>
>>> >>with that said be aware that while you have problems can you be
>sure it
>>> is
>>> >>not video related?
>>> >>
>>> >>with respect to stability?
>>> >>
>>> >>those s t b cards seem to have more driver trouble than other
>brands, and
>>> >not
>>> >>just for blind users either.
>>> >>
>>> >>their is a reason compaque and hp pick matrox, good drivers.
>>> >>
>>> >>if you lived on this side of the ocean i would give you a video
>card.
>>> >>
>>> >>nobody deserves the trouble you had.
>>> >>
>>> >>bill cameron
>>> >>
>>> >>At 12:00 AM 1/23/99 +0000, you wrote:
>>> >>>Hi Bill,
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Thanks for your input on synths. However, by my experience, I
>am not
>>> >>>convinced that this is the case for all of us. (I'm still using
>a 133
>>> >>>Pentium with a video card which is just passable, remember.)
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Although good improvements have been made to Keynote and it is
>now
>>> >>>relatively stable for many, it seems to depend upon one's
>computer and
>>> >>>configuration just how stable it is. It is still prone to cut
>out on our
>>> >>>laptop when a lot of processing has to be done and, before I get
>shot
>>> down
>>> >>>in flames again for this message, let me add that of course it
>may be due
>>> >>>to laptop settings that I personally have been unable to resolve
>and not
>>> >>>the direct fault of the Keynote synth itself.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>However, whatever the reason, for me the software synths are
>still not as
>>> >>>sbable as I would like to see them. Well, once HJ has done
>something
>>> with
>>> >>>the CTRL-ALT-DEL combination I shall probably feel a little
>better - more
>>> >>>in control of the crashes - but that's it for now.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>--
>>> >>>Carol Pearson
>>> >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>At 15:30 22/01/99 -0500, bill cameron wrote:
>>> >>>>carol as a user of 2 software synths, keynote and dec talk
>access 32, i
>>> >can
>>> >>>>tell you that if i was buying a hardward synth, it would be
>external and
>>> >>>cheap,
>>> >>>>like the spirit from artic that cost 300 dollars but it
>emulates an
>>> accent
>>> >>> so
>>> >>>>it shall work down the road in n t.
>>> >>>>software speech provides great quality voice while the cheaper
>synth
>>> >>>provides
>>> >>>>access in all enviroments.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>if i had to buy internal i would also combine double talk with
>access
>>> 32.
>>> >>>>the only reason for buying internal is if i did not have a irq
>available
>>> >>>in the
>>> >>>>system.
>>> >>>>reason for combineing access 32 with double talk is that access
>32
>>> shall
>>> >>>work
>>> >>>>in windows n t as well.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>now if i where poor, i would go software only and with out a
>doubt the
>>> >>>synth i
>>> >>>>bought would be the keynote software synth, also called
>multmedia.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>by the way it is extremely stable in every respect, and for
>the last
>>> >>>month it
>>> >>>>is all i am using.
>>> >>>>reason being i pulled my hardware synth out of old system to
>install in
>>> new
>>> >>>>system.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>no problems, since they released their second version or
>upgrade, really
>>> >was
>>> >>>>bug patches about 6 months back.
>>> >>>>also if the user uses a dos screen reader that supports the
>keynote soft
>>> >>>synth
>>> >>>>then dos box access is still possible.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>so keynote is the best software synth that i have used in the
>win 9 x
>>> >>>>enviroment, of course their are many i have not used
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>one other thing, if keynote does run into a problem its a good
>thang jfw
>>> >>>>provides a back up software synth.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>the only down side to the keynote is that it does not work in
>win n t.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>bill
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>At 01:09 PM 1/22/99 +0000, you wrote:
>>> >>>>>Hi there,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>Well, I don't like the idea of internal software synths only.
>I think
>>> >>>>>there's rather more work to be done before I'd be entirely
>happy
>>> >without my
>>> >>>>>Dectalk Express. Even the best of the software synths are not
>so
>>> stable
>>> >>>>>(certainly with 95) and I still like nipping to DOS now and
>again. I
>>> >guess
>>> >>>>>if I move to NT that won't be an option anyway.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>I guess what I really want to say is that I still feel we
>should be
>>> >>>>>encouraging HJ and makers of synthersizers to continue to make
>>> >improvements
>>> >>>>>here as the software synths are just not totally up to it yet.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>--
>>> >>>>>Carol Pearson
>>> >>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>At 11:00 22/01/99 +1100, Sean Murphy wrote:
>>> >>>>>>Hi,
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>I will answer your two questions in the quoted message below.
> My
>>> >>>>>>comments are preceded by SM:.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> "Tim Culhane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 21/January/1999
>10:40pm >>>
>>> >>>>>>What is the reason for this?
>>> >>>>>>SM: If you mean why internal synths will have a short life
>spand in
>>> >>>>>>computerrs, the answer is very simple. NT at this point of
>time does
>>> >>>>>>not have any ssill drivers. Until Arkenstone brings out NT
>drivers,
>>> >>>>>>you wil not get your Internal synths to work. Yes, you could
>sya that
>>> >>>>>>JFW or any other screen reader should develop their own
>drivers. But
>>> >>>>>>they will not do so because new computers will not have any
>ISA slots
>>> >>>>>>in them. ISA slots are being phased out. Also software
>synthesizers
>>> >>>>>>are becoming more common and cost less. Using Australian
>prices, the
>>> >>>>>>cost of a Dectalk PC or Express is around the $1500 and the
>Dectalk
>>> >>>>>>Access 32 is about $400 and if you buy a cheap sound card,
>you are
>>> >>>>>>looking about $100. A total of $500, which means I save
>$1000. In
>>> >>>>>>other words, the main stream market is seeing the advantages
>of
>>> >>>>>>software speech and this will completely change the way that
>synths
>>> >>>>>>are sold.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>Will there be an alternative?
>>> >>>>>>SM: Software synths are the replacement.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>Regards
>>> >>>>>>Sean.
>>> >>>>>>-
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>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
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