Hi.
I ask HJ last weekend why Eloquence and Dectalk Access 32 did not have
the full features available to JFW users. The answer that they gave
was due to the licence agreement that they have with the respective
companies. They cannot sell the full product. But they should allow
us to purchase the Dectalk or Eloquence from other sources.
Again, if people do not like this feature, let them know. Basically
all HJ has to do, is allow us to purchase eloquence or Dectalk Access
32 from a third party if we like and it should work with Jfw.
cheers
sean.
>>> "Cathy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 23/January/1999 09:51pm >>>
Hello:
I just want to make sure I understand right. You can not buy the soft
ware
Dec-talk 32 from any body else except HJ, because it won't work if
jfw, is
that right. I was thinking about buying it from Ann Morris in a
couple of
months, you see she has it cheaper that HJ, and I was told not to buy
it
from HJ because then it won't work with any other screen reader except
jfw.
I am not trying to put HJ down, but if this is true, it really isn't
fare to
us, to have to just buy there product, if we can get the same thing
from so
other place but cheaper, with the same assurance of usage as what they
offer. Also it should not be limited to just being used with jfw.
You see,
I didn't have choice about what screen reader I got, because it was
bought
for be by the state, and you take what they feel like you can use.
No, I am
not putting down jfw, I love it, and I don't think I would change even
if I
could.
Cathy and guide dog Tilly, Black Lab:
-----Original Message-----
From: Carol Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, January 23, 1999 1:01 PM
Subject: RE: Which internal synthesizer work well with Jfw? -Reply
>Hi Bill,
>
>You're probably right, that some of the problems are video related.
The
>laptop is particularly slow and I did see an explanation of this on
the
>List a month or two back - can anyone remind me why video cards are
so slow
>on laptops - but on my desktop the cards are OK but Dectalk Express
is so
>much better.
>
>
>--
>Carol
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
>At 01:47 23/01/99 -0500, bill cameron wrote:
>>carol i am not takeing any shots at you, you are right, that is why
i
would
>>buy the double talk, hardware is better under 300 mhz.
>>
>>with that said be aware that while you have problems can you be
sure it
is
>>not video related?
>>
>>with respect to stability?
>>
>>those s t b cards seem to have more driver trouble than other
brands, and
>not
>>just for blind users either.
>>
>>their is a reason compaque and hp pick matrox, good drivers.
>>
>>if you lived on this side of the ocean i would give you a video
card.
>>
>>nobody deserves the trouble you had.
>>
>>bill cameron
>>
>>At 12:00 AM 1/23/99 +0000, you wrote:
>>>Hi Bill,
>>>
>>>Thanks for your input on synths. However, by my experience, I am
not
>>>convinced that this is the case for all of us. (I'm still using a
133
>>>Pentium with a video card which is just passable, remember.)
>>>
>>>Although good improvements have been made to Keynote and it is now
>>>relatively stable for many, it seems to depend upon one's computer
and
>>>configuration just how stable it is. It is still prone to cut out
on our
>>>laptop when a lot of processing has to be done and, before I get
shot
down
>>>in flames again for this message, let me add that of course it may
be due
>>>to laptop settings that I personally have been unable to resolve
and not
>>>the direct fault of the Keynote synth itself.
>>>
>>>However, whatever the reason, for me the software synths are still
not as
>>>sbable as I would like to see them. Well, once HJ has done
something
with
>>>the CTRL-ALT-DEL combination I shall probably feel a little better
- more
>>>in control of the crashes - but that's it for now.
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Carol Pearson
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>At 15:30 22/01/99 -0500, bill cameron wrote:
>>>>carol as a user of 2 software synths, keynote and dec talk access
32, i
>can
>>>>tell you that if i was buying a hardward synth, it would be
external and
>>>cheap,
>>>>like the spirit from artic that cost 300 dollars but it emulates
an
accent
>>> so
>>>>it shall work down the road in n t.
>>>>software speech provides great quality voice while the cheaper
synth
>>>provides
>>>>access in all enviroments.
>>>>
>>>>if i had to buy internal i would also combine double talk with
access
32.
>>>>the only reason for buying internal is if i did not have a irq
available
>>>in the
>>>>system.
>>>>reason for combineing access 32 with double talk is that access 32
shall
>>>work
>>>>in windows n t as well.
>>>>
>>>>now if i where poor, i would go software only and with out a doubt
the
>>>synth i
>>>>bought would be the keynote software synth, also called multmedia.
>>>>
>>>>by the way it is extremely stable in every respect, and for the
last
>>>month it
>>>>is all i am using.
>>>>reason being i pulled my hardware synth out of old system to
install in
new
>>>>system.
>>>>
>>>>no problems, since they released their second version or upgrade,
really
>was
>>>>bug patches about 6 months back.
>>>>also if the user uses a dos screen reader that supports the
keynote soft
>>>synth
>>>>then dos box access is still possible.
>>>>
>>>>so keynote is the best software synth that i have used in the win
9 x
>>>>enviroment, of course their are many i have not used
>>>>
>>>>one other thing, if keynote does run into a problem its a good
thang jfw
>>>>provides a back up software synth.
>>>>
>>>>the only down side to the keynote is that it does not work in win
n t.
>>>>
>>>>bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>At 01:09 PM 1/22/99 +0000, you wrote:
>>>>>Hi there,
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, I don't like the idea of internal software synths only. I
think
>>>>>there's rather more work to be done before I'd be entirely happy
>without my
>>>>>Dectalk Express. Even the best of the software synths are not so
stable
>>>>>(certainly with 95) and I still like nipping to DOS now and
again. I
>guess
>>>>>if I move to NT that won't be an option anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>>I guess what I really want to say is that I still feel we should
be
>>>>>encouraging HJ and makers of synthersizers to continue to make
>improvements
>>>>>here as the software synths are just not totally up to it yet.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Carol Pearson
>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>At 11:00 22/01/99 +1100, Sean Murphy wrote:
>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I will answer your two questions in the quoted message below.
My
>>>>>>comments are preceded by SM:.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Tim Culhane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 21/January/1999
10:40pm >>>
>>>>>>What is the reason for this?
>>>>>>SM: If you mean why internal synths will have a short life
spand in
>>>>>>computerrs, the answer is very simple. NT at this point of time
does
>>>>>>not have any ssill drivers. Until Arkenstone brings out NT
drivers,
>>>>>>you wil not get your Internal synths to work. Yes, you could
sya that
>>>>>>JFW or any other screen reader should develop their own drivers.
But
>>>>>>they will not do so because new computers will not have any ISA
slots
>>>>>>in them. ISA slots are being phased out. Also software
synthesizers
>>>>>>are becoming more common and cost less. Using Australian
prices, the
>>>>>>cost of a Dectalk PC or Express is around the $1500 and the
Dectalk
>>>>>>Access 32 is about $400 and if you buy a cheap sound card, you
are
>>>>>>looking about $100. A total of $500, which means I save $1000.
In
>>>>>>other words, the main stream market is seeing the advantages of
>>>>>>software speech and this will completely change the way that
synths
>>>>>>are sold.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Will there be an alternative?
>>>>>>SM: Software synths are the replacement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Regards
>>>>>>Sean.
>>>>>>-
>>>>>>Visit the jfw ml web page:
http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~nallan/jfw
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-
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http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~nallan/jfw
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-
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>>>>
>>>
>>>-
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>>
>>
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