Hi,

Yes.  If you are using ICQ successfully, I would be very appreciative of any 
assistance.  As usually, I will do my best to 
specific about the help I require.  

Compared to Windows itself, or a program like Eudora Light, I do consider ICQ to be 
quite inaccessible.  I do not 
recommend it to my clients for several reasons:

1.
Most of the time, my clients would not be people who would even be interested in most 
of what we do.  For example, 
many would not be interested in mailing lists, and are not even on the Internet.  They 
are in an employment situation, and 
they want to use the computer as a tool to perform a very specific set of tasks.  It 
is very unfortunate, but ICQ would be 
the absolute least of someone's worries.  Of course, for those who are interested in 
advanced programs, are on the 
Internet or interested in getting connected, I do highly encourage and help them.  I 
even work with such a person to 
explore the use of these less-than-really-accessible programs.  It just really depends 
on the person's needs and what is 
mandated.  If someone at a state agency hires me to teach someone exactly what they 
need to do a particular job, then 
I can't teach them ICQ.  Of course, I am sure the day is comming when the use of ICQ 
on an intranet will be required.  

I am very sorry that I am letting known my extreme frustration with this ICQ program, 
and my initial outcry was completely 
in frustration after spending many hours fighting with ICQ.  I have figured out the 
keystroke problem, though I can't 
manage to find a way to change the keystrokes from within ICQ.  It is very difficult 
even to get into any of the program's 
menus, as it doesn't use a standard menu bar, as it certainly could with all the 
options it has to offer.
Use of the JAWS cursor often seems to be hit and miss, and I have already explained my 
difficulties with the various 
registration dialogues.  That, right there, would be another reason I wouldn't usually 
full with this program with any of my 
clients.  Much time would be wasted trying to get the thing registered.  Despite my 
pesimism with this software, I am very 
willing to work together with others on these lists to learn to use it better.  I do 
think it is a wonderful concept.  

Regards.          

On Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:30:54 -0800, Counselor wrote:

>Darrell,
>
>First of all, I think you are doing a great disservice to your clients
>by telling them that ICQ is inaccessible by the blind, not to mention
>the fact that it is an outright lie.  Are you honestly so vain that
>you think that if you cannot use a program that it is inaccessible by
>all blind people?
>
>The reason that the CTRL-SHIFT-C hotkey remains in effect even after
>removing it from the script is because it is not merely a script
>function, it is an ICQ function and will operate as long as ICQ is
>running.  You can change the hotkey for this function in the ICQ
>preferences and I've already pointed out to the developers of the ICQ
>scripts that they might want to reconsider implementing scripts for
>the predefined ICQ hotkeys for just this reason.  For example,
>CTRL-SHIFT-R conflicts with the Reply to All hotkey in outlook
>Express.  Some of us Outlook Express/ICQ users might want to change
>the Reminders hotkey in the ICQ preferences.
>
>There are many of us (blind) ICQ users who are willing to help you
>with the program if you're interested.  It is your choice.
>
>"Happiness isn't getting what you want, but appreciating what you
>have."
>Regards
>Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  -  ICQ UIN:  736807
>Computer and Internet Accessibility Consultant
>http://business.fortunecity.com/washington/444/
>Blind Man's Bluff:  http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/8545/
>
>
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