Hi flor and all,

I also am supportive of them giving us access to the release candidates.
Having been involved in software development myself, I know that a test lab
or even a group of beta testers cannot possibly find every problem that will
show up in the software.  The more of us that can be involved in testing the
better.

William

----- Original Message -----
From: Flor Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: Release Candidate 2 is now posted on the hj web page


> There's no problem with their release candidates being put up.  People
> complained last time around that they weren't given sufficient opportunity
> to beta test the 3.30 product before it was released.  Besides, this
> particular cycle leading up to the 3.3.1 final version is very much
> concerned with internet access.  Typical users of JFW?  Who are they?
> People are having Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows 2000, Office 95, Office
> 97, Office 2000, various flavours of WordPerfect ... and the list goes on!
> The beta/release ccandidates are getting better because of the involvement
> of a multitude of various users with differeing, even conflicting, needs.
.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron Milliman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 4:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Release Candidate 2 is now posted on the hj web page
>
>
> : JFW listers,  please excuse my ignorance, but I am a bit confused!  Yes,
> : even more than usual!  Is the a JFW version 3.3, a version 3.31, a
version
> : 3.31.31 and now, a version 3.31.35 Release Candidate 2???
> :
> : What in the hell is going on?  Why is HJ putting up program versions
full
> : of problems and bugs for us to find for them.  Doesn't HJ have competent
> : enough people to find their programming problems an bugs?  If we are
going
> : to do their work for them, then, it seems as if some of us should be
hired
> : as paid beta testers.
> :
> : Do not misunderstand.  I am very reluctant to criticize HJ because I am
> : deeply appreciative of their work and am a genuine admirer of Ted Henter
> : and what he has accomplished.  However, releasing a program, even as a
> : "release candidate" prematurely, with the objective of letting us find
the
> : problems and bugs, is a highly questionable practice.  I suggest that
they
> : establish a "representative" group of typical users as paid beta
testers,
> : send them the release candidates, and then, after the problems and bugs
> are
> : worked out, HJ can put it up for the rest of us to download and/or they
> can
> : ship them out to us as officially released upgrades or new versions.  I
> : realize that even then we will probably find a few small problems, but
the
> : current approach is only creating chaos, giving them a poor reputation,
> and
> : confusing many users.
> :
> : Ron Milliman
> :
> :
> :
> :
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> :
> :
>
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