My Dear Mr. Akhand Hinddd.........
When we discuss the matter of addressing ADIVASIS; wrongly as VANVASHIS from
where you have pick up the missionaries in between?
Fine. Missionaries may have poured in $ 3 billion or even more. That is not
the issue. Issue is our governments have many departments under their belt,
that can conduct micro check as to what has happened to that money or where
those money has gone. Who prevents them to do so? Unfortunately you have raised
a question at a wrong place. Your becoming impatient in itself exposes the
fact, as such it is needless to state who those mischief makers are.
I am cool and will remain cool but those who have pulled shutters down of
their mind must also know that ADIVASIS are not Hindus. Both Hindu and
Christian fundamentalists are playing their game of converting and reconverting
Adivasis. In a civilised society, there is no place for fundamentalists who
can be best compared with the terrorists.
It would be better that those with evil eyes on tribals keep themselves at a
distance and do not pretend to be the well wishers of tribals.
Samuel Larka
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Mr Samuel Lakra
And you have exhonerated the missionaries from their mischief making missions.
How cool.
Either one is blinded by the $3billion poured in the Missionaries or one is
colourblind.
Akhandhind
-----Original Message-----
From: Samuel Lakra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 1:48
Subject: Re: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] Re: Fwd: 'Re-Convert Or Die'
I agree with you Raj Pipla that all VANVASIS are not ADIVASIS, and
the word VANVASI is being used by a particular group of people who are
associated with the Bhartiya Janta Party and their associate groups to make
inroads in to the tribal community.
A MARWARI living in the forest exchanging valuable forest products for salt
and exploiting tribals is a VANVASHI, but certainly he is not a ADIVASI.
Mischief makers are in the habit of calling adivasis as Vanvashi. Why they do
not call Adivasis as Adivasis? They are not the well wishers of tribals but to
do politics with tribals they are in the habit of playing all such tricks with
the poor tribals in the forests and teach them what is good and what is bad for
them.
I hope Mr. Akhandhind will take notice of the above and correct himself when
he tries to address or involve with tribals.
Samuel Lakra
Rajpipla Legal Aid Society <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Akhandhind,
with all your love for the Adiv asis please donot use the word "Vanvasi" for
Adivasis. All of us know the intention of changing Adivasi to vanvasi.So it is
better not to show too much love but just keep our name for ourselves and if we
think it necessary to change we will do it ourselves. We do not want any one
one from outside to give us "special" names.
thanks for allowing us to be ourselves
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To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] Re: Fwd: 'Re-Convert Or Die'
Let us walk the talk instead of talk talk talk and more talk. Hindu groups
consider the Vanvasi prople as part of the Indian Nation, not as a separate
entity. Therefore they are facilitating to provide informal education to the
vanvasis so that they can retain their own unique culture they have been
following since the times of Shree Rama & Shree Krishna, but more importantly,
informal education will provide them with defence against exploitation by these
fat NGOs funded with $3billion dollars a year, according to the UPA Goverment's
own statistics!! So before we accuse Hindu groups and equate them with these
imported invasive groups, has anyone checked the programme of empowering they
give to the vanvasi bandhus through informal education? I have seen these
programmes and I refute your elegations against them as baseless and leaded
with a hidden agenda.
akhandhind
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From: Sathya Mohan Puttagunta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:36
Subject: Re: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] Re: Fwd: 'Re-Convert Or Die'
Hi Nachiketa,
You are right.
Tribals are worst effected from christian and hindutva forces on one hand and
govt. and naxals on the other hand.
From my investigations, I found that it's the same FORCE(global) funding and
operating in all these religions and ideologies through human and non-human
intelligence networks.
The urgent agenda seems to annihilate the indigenous systems and true
spiritual knowledge and awakening.
Also there is hunting for resources in tribal areas.
The agents of this global process are mostly unconscious about the global
conspiracy. They are rather programmed to blind faith and dogma.
Very few have freewill to see beyond their conditioning (bio-software
program).
'Civilized' humans are dangerous for the tribes. Tribals have their spirits
to take care of their traditions.
Native Indian Spirit (Shamanism) is still alive in America though it was
physically (in 3D) wiped off.
Indian soil will ever hold its true tribal spiritual treasure even if the
majority of tribals are converted.
Sathya
Nachiketa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I agree with you on this - conversions done thru greed or coercion should
be made illegal- and that the harvesting of souls by evangelicals should be
banned by law. However, at the same time, the reconversion dramas of VHP and
other Sangh parivar bodies (based mostly on intimidation or bribery) should be
banned, and the insidious role of these organizations in tribal areas should be
inquired into. I am concerned about the cultural imperialism of the mainstream
Hindutva forces in tribal areas, and strong and organized attempts to
incorporate/brainwash tribals into forgetting their own cultures.
One may also consider that many dalits have converted to christianity because
of caste based discrimination and economic domination by the upper castes. We
also need to address the questions of such exploitation.
Regards
Nachiketa
On Jan 23, 2008 12:33 PM, adi_rkmv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> We have strayed far away from the topic under discussion.
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> It is okay to convert is a person is attracted by a religion and
spends
> years studying it.
> But mass conversion by evangelist is nothing but a fraud. Most of
the poor
> tpeople covnerted have no clue what i a bible not anything about
Jesus. It
> is due to material incentives and coercion that they end up
coverting. The
> stad has a duty to protect ids citizens from being exploited in
this hideous
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This is not totally bad
