Mr Lakra
Are you mis-reading into something I have not said. I have not said that Adivasis are Hindus, I have said that they are Bharatiyas or Indians, as they live in India. It should be everyone's concern that they are recognised as Indians first and everything else second. And your assertion that the Adivasis are not Hindus, is this true of all Adivasis? And if it is true, what is the significance of reference to Adivasis in the Ramayaan & Mahabharat? Adivasis means the first people to have resided in the land, which is synonimous with the term Sanatan - No Beggining & no End incorporating the first people. It is no point in maing sweeping statements that do not do any justice to the empowerment Adivasis require to fight of exploitation and invasion of cultures that will sound their death knell, meaning introducing somerthing completely alien to India and one that is not plural and tolerant of other people's faith or culture. -----Original Message----- From: Samuel Lakra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:35 Subject: Re: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] Re: Fwd: 'Re-Convert Or Die' My Dear Mr. Akhand Hinddd......... When we discuss the matter of addressing ADIVASIS; wrongly as VANVASHIS from where you have pick up the missionaries in between? Fine. Missionaries may have poured in $ 3 billion or even more. That is not the issue. Issue is our governments have many departments under their belt, that can conduct micro check as to what has happened to that money or where those money has gone. Who prevents them to do so? Unfortunately you have raised a question at a wrong place. Your becoming impatient in itself exposes the fact, as such it is needless to state who those mischief makers are. I am cool and will remain cool but those who have pulled shutters down of their mind must also know that ADIVASIS are not Hindus. Both Hindu and Christian fundamentalists are playing their game of converting and reconverting Adivasis. In a civilised society, there is no place for fundamentalists who can be best compared with the terrorists. It would be better that those with evil eyes on tribals keep themselves at a distance and do not pretend to be the well wishers of tribals. Samuel Larka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr Samuel Lakra And you have exhonerated the missionaries from their mischief making missions. How cool. Either one is blinded by the $3billion poured in the Missionaries or one is colourblind. Akhandhind -----Original Message----- From: Samuel Lakra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 1:48 Subject: Re: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] Re: Fwd: 'Re-Convert Or Die' I agree with you Raj Pipla that all VANVASIS are not ADIVASIS, and the word VANVASI is being used by a particular group of people who are associated with the Bhartiya Janta Party and their associate groups to make inroads in to the tribal community. A MARWARI living in the forest exchanging valuable forest products for salt and exploiting tribals is a VANVASHI, but certainly he is not a ADIVASI. Mischief makers are in the habit of calling adivasis as Vanvashi. Why they do not call Adivasis as Adivasis? They are not the well wishers of tribals but to do politics with tribals they are in the habit of playing all such tricks with the poor tribals in the forests and teach them what is good and what is bad for them. I hope Mr. Akhandhind will take notice of the above and correct himself when he tries to address or involve with tribals. Samuel Lakra Rajpipla Legal Aid Society <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Akhandhind, with all your love for the Adiv asis please donot use the word "Vanvasi" for Adivasis. All of us know the intention of changing Adivasi to vanvasi.So it is better not to show too much love but just keep our name for ourselves and if we think it necessary to change we will do it ourselves. We do not want any one one from outside to give us "special" names. thanks for allowing us to be ourselves ----- Original Message ----- From: To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] Re: Fwd: 'Re-Convert Or Die' Let us walk the talk instead of talk talk talk and more talk. Hindu groups consider the Vanvasi prople as part of the Indian Nation, not as a separate entity. Therefore they are facilitating to provide informal education to the vanvasis so that they can retain their own unique culture they have been following since the times of Shree Rama & Shree Krishna, but more importantly, informal education will provide them with defence against exploitation by these fat NGOs funded with $3billion dollars a year, according to the UPA Goverment's own statistics!! So before we accuse Hindu groups and equate them with these imported invasive groups, has anyone checked the programme of empowering they give to the vanvasi bandhus through informal education? I have seen these programmes and I refute your elegations against them as baseless and leaded with a hidden agenda. akhandhind -----Original Message----- From: Sathya Mohan Puttagunta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:36 Subject: Re: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] Re: Fwd: 'Re-Convert Or Die' Hi Nachiketa, You are right. Tribals are worst effected from christian and hindutva forces on one hand and govt. and naxals on the other hand. >From my investigations, I found that it's the same FORCE(global) funding and >operating in all these religions and ideologies through human and non-human >intelligence networks. The urgent agenda seems to annihilate the indigenous systems and true spiritual knowledge and awakening. Also there is hunting for resources in tribal areas. The agents of this global process are mostly unconscious about the global conspiracy. They are rather programmed to blind faith and dogma. Very few have freewill to see beyond their conditioning (bio-software program). 'Civilized' humans are dangerous for the tribes. Tribals have their spirits to take care of their traditions. Native Indian Spirit (Shamanism) is still alive in America though it was physically (in 3D) wiped off. Indian soil will ever hold its true tribal spiritual treasure even if the majority of tribals are converted. Sathya Nachiketa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I agree with you on this - conversions done thru greed or coercion should be made illegal- and that the harvesting of souls by evangelicals should be banned by law. However, at the same time, the reconversion dramas of VHP and other Sangh parivar bodies (based mostly on intimidation or bribery) should be banned, and the insidious role of these organizations in tribal areas should be inquired into. I am concerned about the cultural imperialism of the mainstream Hindutva forces in tribal areas, and strong and organized attempts to incorporate/brainwash tribals into forgetting their own cultures. One may also consider that many dalits have converted to christianity because of caste based discrimination and economic domination by the upper castes. We also need to address the questions of such exploitation. Regards Nachiketa On Jan 23, 2008 12:33 PM, adi_rkmv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In [email protected], v <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We have strayed far away from the topic under discussion. > > It is okay to convert is a person is attracted by a religion and spends > years studying it. > But mass conversion by evangelist is nothing but a fraud. Most of the poor > tpeople covnerted have no clue what i a bible not anything about Jesus. It > is due to material incentives and coercion that they end up coverting. The > stad has a duty to protect ids citizens from being exploited in this hideous > way. > > > > > On 1/20/08, Sathya Mohan Puttagunta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > This is not totally bad
