Venkat, Will you please stop this kind of hatred talk? How r you Indian who does not know to respect people? Would you please be comfortable if I say that numbers of your Gods were always busy in sleeping with the young girls, their lovers or their wives? Or if I say that yours Almighty God divided Indians by producing Brahmins by his mouth, Chhatriya, Vaishya (by Chest and Thai) and finally Shudra through feet? Then how do you talk about the Indianess? This is nothing than abusing each other. Please stop all these hatred things. People like you only had published and distributed a book against the "Jesus" saying that "Saitan" (devil) lives in "Jesus" and "God" lives in "Dara Singh". But do you think that it made any impact in the faith of people on Jesus Christ? And don't refer about the US, UK or Africa to justify your hatred talk. I would request you once more time humbly that let's stop this kind of hatred discussion. But even after that if you are ready to abuse others be ready to be abused too because I'm also not going to spare you anymore here after. At the end I must pray for you and me too that "God forgive us because Venkat & co and me do not know about what we do, what we talk, what we think, what we believe, what to respect and list goes on"
Rgds Gladson Dungdung On Thu, 01 May 2008 ven wrote : >On 5/1/08, isaac verghese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Thats probably the most ignorant statement I have ever heard. Jesus > > could not help himself.............how many Hindu gods are alive, Vikash? > > Sorry if I am rude. > > Jesus could not help himself but he helped a lot of people. Your young > > immature mind , Vikash,will find that very difficult to comprehend mate. Try > > to become a better Hindu first , before you accuse others of > > converting.Have you ever bought lunch for a poor adivasi or a poor Hindu for > > that matter? That wud be too much to expect from a bitter person like > > you.People living in glass house should not ................... > > > > Isaac > > > > >Isaac, >Eg Lord Vishnu descended on earth as Rama's incarnation. The point is why do >you emphasize, Jesus died so that he can save others. WE never hear a >statement that Krishna, or Rama died so that they can save us. It is kind of >contradictory. Our gods are eternal. Only a spark of them comes to earth as >Rama, Krishna for a particular purpose. In fact all of us are sparks of god, >our creator. > >Further, pray tell me .. what does feeding a poor have to do with religion. >Shame on those rice missionaries who convert the poor by feeding them. This >is the worst type of exploitation. Destroying their traditional religion. > >If christianity is so great .. why are American Indians in USA, South Africa >the poorest and most exploited. Why are the Filippins the poorest in south >east Asia. Why are so many Christian countries in Africa the poorest of the >poor. Why christian missionaries do not open schools and feed hte poor >there? > >Venkat > > > > > > > > > PS: Those who talk about principles rarely practice them. > > > > *vikash singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > > > Try converting a Muslim, The next day your dead body > > will be found. > > Hindoos are good people that people trying to convert > > are still alive. They should thank Jesus that they > > deal with Hindus. > > > > Anyway Jesus couldn't help himself, what the hell he > > will help the poor christians... > > > > Vikash S. > > --- Sachi <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <sachidadev%40yahoo.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > As for my personal opinion any humans living in this > > > world should be given > > > right to practice any > > > religion they want. It has been happening throught > > > the world : Convertions > > > What's wrong in Convertions, be it to Hinduism, to > > > Chistianity , to Islam, > > > to Buddhism. > > > Anyone want to have debate on why conversions should > > > not be allowed in a > > > secular country like India? > > > > > > Bye, > > > Sachi > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] <Jharkhand%40yahoogroups.co.in> > > > [mailto:[email protected] <Jharkhand%40yahoogroups.co.in>] On > > > Behalf Of WILLIAM KISKU > > > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 1:04 AM > > > To: [email protected] <Jharkhand%40yahoogroups.co.in> > > > Subject: Re: RE: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] Conversion > > > law violation is a > > > criminal offence > > > > > > > > > > > > Well I am not a politician: I hate politicians. > > > > > > From my basic general knowledge the Indian > > > constitution is based on British constitution, which > > > is a western/christian based constitution, therefore > > > contrarary to Hindutvas constitution. > > > > > > As far as my understanding goes, it is NOT > > > illegal/criminal to convert christians back to > > > Hindutva, but criminal to convert adivasis/tribals/ > > > into Christianity. > > > > > > Advocate Ashutoshjee... Can you throw some light on > > > this and educate the forum on the right of an > > > individual to practice a religion based on the human > > > right issue? > > > > > > William Kisku > > > > > > --- Gladson Dungdung <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <nfindia%40rediffmail.com> > > > <mailto:nfindia%40rediffmail.com <nfindia%2540rediffmail.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > It's not the matter of Gladson or Venki. The real > > > > matter is the state is becoming the violator human > > > > rights in the name of freedom of religion and so > > > on. > > > > How can the State dictate which religion I should > > > > follow, profess or decline? > > > > > > > > Father of the Nationa, Mahatma Gandhi had very > > > clear > > > > idies about it. He said that I'm a sanatan Hindu > > > and > > > > it's my personal matter therefore the state should > > > > not dictate my religion. We have the right to > > > > freedom of religion as the fundamental rights > > > > guaranted by the Constitution of India under > > > Article > > > > 25 and the state is duty bound to ensure these > > > > rights. If the state decides about whom I should > > > > believe, what I should wear and so on then where > > > my > > > > freedom is? > > > > > > > > When a tribal or dalit becomes Christian, Muslim > > > or > > > > Budhist peole of the so-called main streem of the > > > > society lose their sleep but why people do not > > > raise > > > > any question when a Sharma, Verma, Mishra and list > > > > goes on accept/change their religion. > > > > > > > > Another thing is when a tribal becomes Christian, > > > > Muslim or Budhist so-called people call it > > > > "conversion" but when the same fellow becomes > > > > 'Hundu' then they call it 'Ghar Vapsi'. what a > > > > wonderful defination of conversion we have. > > > > > > > > This is nothing than the power politics. The major > > > > reason is that the Tribals and Dalits are > > > > challenging the statu quo as a result the Brahmins > > > > have already lost their control in the politics > > > and > > > > now they are also going to lose their social > > > > control, which they are not able to digest > > > therefore > > > > they blam in many ways to stop the social change > > > > process. But nothing is going to work we will > > > bring > > > > about change in the society at any cost. I know > > > that > > > > many people feel uncomfortable in these issues > > > > therefore it must be stopped but sometimes I > > > > surprise that inspite of many request why do peole > > > > put these matterials in the group. I don't have > > > any > > > > problem if people want to discuss let's discuss > > > it, > > > > otherwise I would requet to the Moderater please > > > > don't pass any matter like this, which is > > > > meaningless to discuss in the forum. > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > Gladson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 BARBARA ali wrote : > > > > >Hi, > > > > > > > > > >Its as simple as this, each one mind your own > > > > business and let Venki and Gladson go hand in hand > > > > and stand where ever they have to if they want to > > > do > > > > what ever they wish with their own lives. > > > > > > > > > >Bye > > > > > > > > > >BARBARA ALI > > > > >SHARJAH > > > > >UAE > > > > >PO BOX 38485 > > > > >Mobile No: 0097150-6914668 > > > > >URL: > > > > > > > > > Http://angloindianheritagecentre.googlepages.com/anglo-indianbiographies<http://angloindianheritagecentre.googlepages.com/anglo-indianbiographies> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<Jharkhand%40yahoogroups.co.inFrom> > > > <mailto:Jharkhand%40yahoogroups.co.inFrom<Jharkhand%2540yahoogroups.co.inFrom>> > > : > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <prabirkc%40yahoo.comDate> > > > <mailto:prabirkc%40yahoo.comDate <prabirkc%2540yahoo.comDate>> : Sat, 26 > > Apr > > > 2008 08:01:51 > > > > -0700Subject: Re: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] Conversion > > > > law violation is a criminal offence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hope somebody prevents the Dalai Lama, Rajneesh > > > and > > > > Mahesh Yogi's followers from entering Gujarat! > > > > >Now what will we do if Venki converts Gladson to > > > > Jainism? Will they arrest Gladson or Venki? > > > > >And > > > > >Prabir--- On Sat, 4/26/08, ven > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <ahvenkitesh%40gmail.com> > > > <mailto:ahvenkitesh%40gmail.com <ahvenkitesh%2540gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I believe such a law such be enacted in Jharkhand > > > > as soon as possible since the state is plagued by > > > > unethical conversions of the poor.Conversion law > > > > violation is a criminal offencehttp://timesofindia > > > > .indiatimes. com/Ahmedabad/ Conversion_ > > > > law_violation_ is_a_criminal_ offence/articles > > > > how/2984048. cms26 Apr 2008, 0332 hrs IST,Rajiv > > > > Shah,TNNGANDHINAGAR: From now on, anyone wishing > > > to > > > > convert will have to tell the government why they > > > > were doing it and for how long they had been > > > > following the religion which they were renouncing, > > > > failing which, they will be declared offenders and > > > > prosecuted under criminal laws. Forced conversion > > > > could land those responsible a three-year jail > > > term. > > > > This clause is contained in the rules of the > > > > anti-conversion law which came into effect on > > > April > > > > 1. The new law is called Gujarat Freedom of > > > Religion > > > > Act, 2003, and took five years to be implemented > > > > because of the failure of the state government to > > > > come up with rules on the kind of information to > > > be > > > > provided when applying for permission to convert > > > to > > > > any religion. The Bill confirms that Jainism and > > > > Buddhism are not sub-sects of Hinduism. The rules > > > > have been published in the Gujarat government > > > > gazette. The rules make it obligatory for a priest > > > > seeking to convert someone from one religion to > > > > another to take prior permission of the district > > > > magistrate in order to avoid police action. > > > > >. > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *P V Isaac, > > Home:9874 1819 Mob 0415 144 981. > > * > > ** *" What you resist, will persist"* > > > > > > > > * Jharkhand.org.in/forum * <http://www.jharkhand.org.in/forum> > > <http://egroups.com/list/Jharkhand> > > * * > > > > > > > >
