looooooool man u really know NOTHING about Java, all u keep saying, Variables mesh 3aref shu... come on !! that what you know about Java if you wana make a debate about Java at LEAST read a little bit more than what u took in UNI. what do u know u PHP ppl about Designs and Design Patterns !! what do u know about pooling, threading, ORM, MVC... anything!! do u have gr8 Application Servers like IBM OR BEA !! do u have gr8 Portals like IBM one do u have gr8 Processing Servers !! all u know about Java is JSP and J2SE, and u dont even know it well!! what about EJB, WebServices with Java, RMI... bla bla bla and one more thing !! now u talking about OO, these days nobody is talking about OO and its Designs now the Service Oriented Architecture is the current thing we talk about, so keep on track did u see E-GOV on PHP, or SME solution on PHP ???!!! NO, why ?, cuz its not even a language maybe its good for web applications that do nothing but saving on DB and retrieve from DB, but if u wanna make a BIG business with security, Reliability, extendability...etc for a Bank, E-GOV, SME solutions..etc what PHP can provide !! u dont even know J2EE ! just keep working on the small projects abu 100,000 $ and let us Handling the millions :D:D
On Nov 16, 10:31 pm, "Al-Faisal El-Dajani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Guys, > > I just had a _very_ heated debate with a friend of mine about the merits of > using Java, and just wanted your input on the matter. I was a Java fan up > until I left university and met the real world, and there, the whole > paradigm of predefined variables just crumpled on itself. > > I just can't stop thinking that in the 12 years that Java has existed (and > hardware has evolved 8x, according to moore's law), Java applications have > not gained one ounce of speed that the hardware should be giving. I mean, > they seem to be some kind of performance blackholes. Seriously, whenever I > use any Java application (Azureus, OpenOffice, Eclipse), I actually feel > physical pain. > > And ever since I tried out PHP and Ruby, I just completely lost faith in ALL > strongly typed languages. I mean, come on, do I really need to specify that > this variable is a double? It's some space in memory that I use to whatever > ends I see fit. If you want to protect me as a developer from using my > variables in the way I want, then perhaps the language should be developed > using wizards and auto code generators like a certain set of other languages > does. > > The Java proponents, however, keep saying "well, it works on all platforms". > That is true, but I'll take online applications over Java anyday of the > week. I actually _prefer_ network latency to Java's performance, at least > the PC would be free to do a sophisticated thing as "Multitasking". And > sometimes I retort with this qoute <http://bash.org/?338364> which usually > shuts them up :). > > Another point that Java proponents use (or at least try to), is the claim > that Java is an OO language as opposed to PHP (and they seem to prefer JSP > over PHP, go figure...). Of course I would (politely) point to them that > PHP5 is OO, and more importantly that Java is not fully OO. No offense, but > ever after using Ruby, I don't view Java to be the pinnacle of OO (as it > shouldn't be). > > Now don't get me wrong, this extends to languages far beyond Java, but the > question I have is: Am I being overly critical of Java? Is there any merit > to my points? or theirs? What's your input? > > -- > Al-Faisal El-Dajani > Phone: +962-7-79 73 70 50 > P.O Box: 140056 > 11814 Amman, Jordan --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Jolug" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Jolug?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
